1 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:00,630 [Music] 2 00:00:23,830 --> 00:00:22,390 welcome back my friends we're going to 3 00:00:25,910 --> 00:00:23,840 get right into it tonight with our 4 00:00:27,589 --> 00:00:25,920 interview with grant cameron we started 5 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:27,599 our interview with a discussion about 6 00:00:32,549 --> 00:00:29,519 the stanton friedman archives he'd 7 00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:34,069 you know i when i started talking to 8 00:00:38,310 --> 00:00:36,239 stan i was on the bob lazar believer 9 00:00:39,270 --> 00:00:38,320 side and he and i went back and forth 10 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:39,280 and had 11 00:00:44,549 --> 00:00:41,520 i would call it a spirited debate a few 12 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:44,559 times and he said check here check here 13 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:47,760 check here go look here dig deeper and 14 00:00:51,189 --> 00:00:49,440 come back and tell me what you find and 15 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:51,199 how you feel after that and we went back 16 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:53,440 and forth and back and and eventually i 17 00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:55,440 got to be on the side of 18 00:00:59,349 --> 00:00:57,520 definitely on his side of the fact that 19 00:01:00,630 --> 00:00:59,359 that i i don't believe the story's 20 00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:00,640 credible but 21 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,120 he uh had promised you know he said uh 22 00:01:07,270 --> 00:01:05,680 i've got this from from when i looked up 23 00:01:09,350 --> 00:01:07,280 i've got some paperwork i'll send you 24 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:09,360 the paperwork if i dig it out and it was 25 00:01:13,429 --> 00:01:11,360 it was amazing to me to see that some of 26 00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:13,439 the paperwork we talked about you dug 27 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:15,119 out of those archives so i really want 28 00:01:18,149 --> 00:01:16,000 to go 29 00:01:20,469 --> 00:01:18,159 myself and take a look 30 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:20,479 yeah yeah yeah there's lots lots of 31 00:01:25,429 --> 00:01:22,960 interesting stuff there i mean um 32 00:01:26,950 --> 00:01:25,439 it's a matter of how much time 33 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:26,960 because when i was there we don't i 34 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:29,040 don't really have time to 35 00:01:32,310 --> 00:01:30,640 um 36 00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:32,320 to really read anything so i just 37 00:01:37,429 --> 00:01:34,200 photographed so i really haven't read 38 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:37,439 95 of it yet 39 00:01:40,870 --> 00:01:39,119 because you know if you're if you're 40 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:40,880 there every day but i was only there i 41 00:01:44,870 --> 00:01:43,040 knew for five days so 42 00:01:46,469 --> 00:01:44,880 and i had 16 boxes to go through and 43 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:46,479 actually there was two boxes they made a 44 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:47,920 mistake the last day i didn't get to see 45 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:49,840 the last two boxes but 46 00:01:54,550 --> 00:01:52,479 so and then she apparently joanna told 47 00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:54,560 somebody another researcher that they 48 00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:56,640 were she was talking 10 years it would 49 00:02:00,389 --> 00:01:58,240 take them to go through all this kind of 50 00:02:02,630 --> 00:02:00,399 stuff because 51 00:02:04,149 --> 00:02:02,640 a lot most of it isn't sorted it isn't 52 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:04,159 filed it's uh 53 00:02:07,510 --> 00:02:06,000 and i've tried to help the archivist in 54 00:02:08,949 --> 00:02:07,520 terms of saying 55 00:02:10,790 --> 00:02:08,959 you know what the different subjects are 56 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:10,800 what the different names are so she 57 00:02:14,309 --> 00:02:12,560 knows you know how to categorize this 58 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:14,319 stuff because to her she's just a big 59 00:02:18,630 --> 00:02:16,400 blur she has no idea what ufos is about 60 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:18,640 or who the characters are or the 61 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:20,239 subjects and stuff so 62 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:22,560 yeah but it's definitely a niche subject 63 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:24,239 yeah and you know one of the other 64 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:26,800 things i wanted to talk to you about is 65 00:02:31,670 --> 00:02:29,120 you uh of course are known for this 66 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:31,680 presidential ufo stuff and you did 67 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:33,840 something that is incredibly rare that i 68 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:36,560 respect and admire because i've gotten 69 00:02:42,070 --> 00:02:39,280 to be uh almost friends with a couple of 70 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:42,080 archivists from the reagan library you 71 00:02:45,670 --> 00:02:44,000 went to all of them didn't you all of 72 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:45,680 them that you well a couple of them i 73 00:02:49,830 --> 00:02:47,040 didn't go to i didn't go to the bush 74 00:02:51,670 --> 00:02:49,840 library and um i didn't go to the 75 00:02:53,589 --> 00:02:51,680 kennedy library john greenwald got the 76 00:02:55,030 --> 00:02:53,599 stuff out of the kennedy library 77 00:02:56,390 --> 00:02:55,040 uh a number of them i've been to a 78 00:02:58,070 --> 00:02:56,400 number of times like the reagan i've 79 00:03:01,589 --> 00:02:58,080 probably been there 80 00:03:03,589 --> 00:03:01,599 two or three times the carter library 81 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:03,599 the the clinton library been there a 82 00:03:10,949 --> 00:03:06,640 couple times so uh i've been to uh just 83 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:10,959 about all of them but um not all of them 84 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:13,599 yeah and i i think that's kind of a rare 85 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:15,280 thing you know i don't know if you're 86 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:17,040 aware but sort of the younger generation 87 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:19,120 of people interested in this stuff it's 88 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:20,000 kind of 89 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:21,840 you know a lot of people like to call 90 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:23,519 them right-click researchers and they 91 00:03:27,509 --> 00:03:24,959 kind of feel like well 92 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:27,519 anything's on the internet but 93 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:29,519 don't you find that you find much more 94 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:31,280 deep stuff that people have never heard 95 00:03:34,789 --> 00:03:33,360 of if you actually go to the archives 96 00:03:36,949 --> 00:03:34,799 and dig 97 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:36,959 yeah oh yeah well what's happening today 98 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:39,440 is people are basically 99 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:41,120 um they're chasing the latest story like 100 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:44,000 24 7 news and so everybody's talking 101 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:46,560 about the nimitz and they talk about the 102 00:03:49,670 --> 00:03:48,640 nimitz again limits and it was like one 103 00:03:52,149 --> 00:03:49,680 sighting 104 00:03:53,910 --> 00:03:52,159 uh get over it already and 105 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:53,920 so people don't really realize like i'm 106 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:55,760 always fighting with people about 107 00:03:58,710 --> 00:03:57,200 people really don't have the background 108 00:04:00,309 --> 00:03:58,720 in terms of understanding how it all 109 00:04:01,990 --> 00:04:00,319 fits together the fact that bill moore 110 00:04:04,470 --> 00:04:02,000 was very important that stan's work on 111 00:04:06,789 --> 00:04:04,480 mj 12 was important uh that there was no 112 00:04:09,589 --> 00:04:06,799 graze before 1961 and there's a lot of 113 00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:09,599 stuff that people just assume 114 00:04:12,550 --> 00:04:11,120 a lot of stuff and they don't have any 115 00:04:14,869 --> 00:04:12,560 background because basically they're 116 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:14,879 always looking for disclosure they're 117 00:04:17,349 --> 00:04:16,320 looking for they think that the 118 00:04:19,189 --> 00:04:17,359 disclosure is going to come with the 119 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:19,199 next big story so 120 00:04:22,150 --> 00:04:20,720 and that's where i i sort of disagreed 121 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:22,160 with stan on the area 51 thing that 122 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:24,400 basically what happens is a story will 123 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:25,840 come and i believe the government leaks 124 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:27,520 these stories and that has a plausible 125 00:04:31,749 --> 00:04:29,680 deniability clause in it where it all 126 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:31,759 falls apart and everybody just goes oh 127 00:04:34,469 --> 00:04:33,199 it's a hoax or somebody goes it's a hoax 128 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:34,479 and everybody runs for the hills and 129 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:35,919 they go to the next story and that's why 130 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:38,080 we're so easily deceived 131 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:40,000 by the people who are running the show 132 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:41,759 is everyone's looking for the next story 133 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:42,960 so 134 00:04:46,150 --> 00:04:44,560 a story will come up nobody checks it 135 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:46,160 everybody just puts it out there they 136 00:04:49,270 --> 00:04:47,840 run around and then somebody says it's a 137 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:49,280 hoax and they go on to the next story 138 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:51,280 next story and nobody ever looks back 139 00:04:54,469 --> 00:04:52,639 and tries to put it all together that 140 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:54,479 there are a lot of stories 141 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:56,720 from the past that nobody bothers to 142 00:05:01,350 --> 00:04:59,040 even they have no idea like most people 143 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:01,360 wouldn't even have any idea about the mj 144 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:03,360 12 controversy how it occurred how the 145 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:05,120 document came out 146 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:06,240 even i 147 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,919 discovered something 148 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:09,600 pretty significant at the 149 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:11,440 at stan's library 150 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:13,360 and i was there when it happened i was 151 00:05:17,110 --> 00:05:15,120 around with these guys i was sort of 152 00:05:21,189 --> 00:05:17,120 interacting with them and i was dealing 153 00:05:22,950 --> 00:05:21,199 with dr eric walker on the mj 12 thing 154 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:22,960 and i didn't realize until i read a 155 00:05:27,670 --> 00:05:25,360 letter from stan's files that stan did 156 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:27,680 not have the mj12 document i don't think 157 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:29,759 he had it until it was released by bill 158 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:32,960 moore in 1987 so it was mailed to jimmy 159 00:05:37,029 --> 00:05:35,840 chandray in in december of 84. 160 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:37,039 and 161 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:39,840 stanton didn't see it until 162 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:41,600 it was released at the mufon conference 163 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:44,080 in washington dc in 87 bill moore 164 00:05:47,350 --> 00:05:45,360 wouldn't send it to him he said it was 165 00:05:49,029 --> 00:05:47,360 too risky to send him the document so 166 00:05:50,710 --> 00:05:49,039 stan never saw the document i always 167 00:05:53,110 --> 00:05:50,720 assumed stan was 168 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:53,120 was in on the research and 169 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:54,240 uh 170 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:56,240 you'll see when i released this some of 171 00:06:01,909 --> 00:05:58,880 these letters that stan was very upset 172 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:01,919 that he figured he'd been had that he um 173 00:06:05,029 --> 00:06:03,520 uh he he 174 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:05,039 they didn't do proper research on the 175 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:06,880 document and this sort of thing 176 00:06:10,629 --> 00:06:09,360 and so these kind of things there's 177 00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:10,639 these little 178 00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:12,960 intricacies that i went to look for in 179 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:14,240 terms of 180 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,240 trying to find things that fit little 181 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:18,240 pieces like the correspondence between 182 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:19,360 bill moore 183 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:23,680 had the 24 sources the same as tom 184 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:26,960 delong and now has his 24 sources 185 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:29,199 i love your analysis on that and it 186 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:31,680 really opens my eyes because i 187 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:33,840 remembered ufo cover up live and i 188 00:06:40,550 --> 00:06:36,720 remembered the aviary and i specifically 189 00:06:42,629 --> 00:06:40,560 remembered uh richard doty who 190 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:42,639 not long ago i got a chance to actually 191 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:45,039 interview which was amazing to me 192 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:47,280 because i rem i remember you know 193 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:49,520 honestly i was like i was like a 194 00:06:53,189 --> 00:06:51,039 kid that was interested in flying 195 00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:53,199 saucers and ufos when that came out and 196 00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:55,759 then yeah the mga 12 documents and then 197 00:07:00,870 --> 00:06:58,080 and then you know really was like it was 198 00:07:02,710 --> 00:07:00,880 really ufo cover up live mj 12 documents 199 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:02,720 and then the bob lazar story that got me 200 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:03,520 so 201 00:07:09,029 --> 00:07:06,240 interested and it's interesting to me 202 00:07:12,150 --> 00:07:09,039 that you had this theory 203 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:12,160 about ttsa that i thought was so spot on 204 00:07:15,589 --> 00:07:13,680 because there's so many people involved 205 00:07:18,309 --> 00:07:15,599 can you tell us a little bit about that 206 00:07:20,629 --> 00:07:18,319 and also on the subject of bill moore i 207 00:07:22,390 --> 00:07:20,639 would like to contact him i don't know 208 00:07:24,309 --> 00:07:22,400 if he would want to talk i don't know if 209 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:24,319 he would want to speak to me i've tried 210 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:26,479 multiple people if you know any way that 211 00:07:31,589 --> 00:07:28,319 i can contact him the closest i have 212 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:31,599 found is that he's in my state and uh i 213 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:33,919 believe that he was like a custodian at 214 00:07:37,909 --> 00:07:35,840 a school the last 215 00:07:39,830 --> 00:07:37,919 is sort of the last accurate information 216 00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:39,840 that i had on him but from what i've 217 00:07:44,309 --> 00:07:42,560 hear he wants nothing to do with ufos 218 00:07:46,629 --> 00:07:44,319 yeah that's true i mean he got rid of 219 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:46,639 all his files to 220 00:07:52,469 --> 00:07:49,840 um some of it he sold on ebay the books 221 00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:52,479 and magazines and stuff uh some of the 222 00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:54,639 files went to a guy by name greg bishop 223 00:08:00,309 --> 00:07:56,639 who was friend of his in la there's a 224 00:08:02,469 --> 00:08:00,319 few people like bishop and um 225 00:08:03,589 --> 00:08:02,479 a guy by name brian parks who still know 226 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:03,599 where he is but they're not going to 227 00:08:08,230 --> 00:08:05,280 give him up because bill 228 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:08,240 basically walked away 229 00:08:13,029 --> 00:08:10,800 he gave his last interviews in 2004. i 230 00:08:15,909 --> 00:08:13,039 tried to interview him i was fairly good 231 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:15,919 friends with him and he said to me 232 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:18,240 was typical bill moore he said grant if 233 00:08:20,950 --> 00:08:19,360 i didn't figure this thing out you're 234 00:08:23,189 --> 00:08:20,960 never going to figure it out 235 00:08:25,029 --> 00:08:23,199 give it give it a rest and said i i'll 236 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:25,039 i'll pass on the interview he didn't say 237 00:08:28,869 --> 00:08:26,720 you know he just said very nicely i'll 238 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:28,879 pass on doing the interview with you 239 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:30,000 because i was going to be i think it was 240 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:30,960 actually going to be at the reagan 241 00:08:34,149 --> 00:08:32,159 library so i wanted to talk to him he 242 00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:34,159 was still in california the time 243 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:35,440 but um 244 00:08:41,430 --> 00:08:38,560 bill bill moore um was 245 00:08:44,949 --> 00:08:41,440 i think 246 00:08:47,509 --> 00:08:44,959 he was one of the top three 247 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:47,519 researchers in terms of being very very 248 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:49,600 smart very very 249 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:52,320 intelligent uh he was he 250 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:54,480 spoke complete fluent russian 251 00:08:59,590 --> 00:08:55,920 uh wrote 252 00:09:02,550 --> 00:08:59,600 and spoken russian in french english and 253 00:09:04,550 --> 00:09:02,560 that's why he had been um as he told 254 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:04,560 bill steinman back in the 80s 255 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:06,160 uh he had done some work for the cia 256 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:07,680 when he was at university and that's how 257 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:09,440 the cia does it they recruit people from 258 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:11,760 university so bill moore was a guy who 259 00:09:15,750 --> 00:09:13,519 had intelligence connections and this is 260 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:15,760 what he told steinman and that when he 261 00:09:20,949 --> 00:09:17,760 got into the ufo thing 262 00:09:23,509 --> 00:09:20,959 and uh he re made his contacts in the 263 00:09:26,470 --> 00:09:23,519 cia and that's how he had so many 264 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:26,480 contacts like in terms of um 265 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:28,800 rumored story was that that robert gates 266 00:09:34,230 --> 00:09:31,600 was involved with him uh richard helms 267 00:09:36,949 --> 00:09:34,240 was involved with jimmy chanderay 268 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:36,959 he had this former this um 269 00:09:41,110 --> 00:09:39,920 guy this former retired um 270 00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:41,120 guy head of 271 00:09:44,870 --> 00:09:43,040 uh counterintelligence for the cia who 272 00:09:46,150 --> 00:09:44,880 was the supposed falcon but i think 273 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:46,160 there was another guy who was the falcon 274 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:47,680 there was a bunch and bill would have 275 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:49,200 the bill like to be on the inside even 276 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:50,880 stan refers to this in one of his 277 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:53,680 correspondence or in one of his letters 278 00:09:58,550 --> 00:09:56,240 uh he says bill liked to be on bill like 279 00:10:00,389 --> 00:09:58,560 to be on the inside and he liked to play 280 00:10:02,069 --> 00:10:00,399 games and that was bill moore but bill 281 00:10:02,949 --> 00:10:02,079 moore was very very smart you couldn't 282 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:02,959 really 283 00:10:07,509 --> 00:10:04,880 sort of snow bill moore with anything he 284 00:10:09,750 --> 00:10:07,519 was uh he he was very very 285 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:09,760 meticulous in his research 286 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:12,800 and i give him credit in that 287 00:10:18,550 --> 00:10:16,000 uh he was the one guy who actually 288 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:18,560 uh offered to help me in the 1980s so 289 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:19,920 whatever people want to say about bill 290 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:22,560 moore i would tend to disagree because 291 00:10:25,590 --> 00:10:23,920 bill moore was trying to get to the to 292 00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:25,600 the secret 293 00:10:31,750 --> 00:10:28,959 and he may have been set up by 294 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:31,760 his people and made to look like a fool 295 00:10:36,949 --> 00:10:34,800 but um yeah definitely he was he's an 296 00:10:39,030 --> 00:10:36,959 incredibly interesting character i mean 297 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:39,040 you could write it um his some of his 298 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:41,760 life reads like a spy novel it's amazing 299 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:44,000 yeah yeah and he had these kind he did 300 00:10:48,310 --> 00:10:45,440 have the contacts because when i was 301 00:10:50,069 --> 00:10:48,320 trying to get walker uh stan actually 302 00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:50,079 contacted walker i think on two 303 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:51,200 occasions 304 00:10:54,389 --> 00:10:52,560 uh and they were trying to figure out 305 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:54,399 like they they none of them really 306 00:10:58,870 --> 00:10:56,399 figured that walker was who i was saying 307 00:11:01,110 --> 00:10:58,880 he was so stan phoned him up and he's 308 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:01,120 and uh because steinman was the guy that 309 00:11:04,949 --> 00:11:03,040 discovered him and then he phoned him up 310 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:04,959 and walker was playing games walker 311 00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:06,480 liked to play games on the phone and 312 00:11:09,750 --> 00:11:08,320 really didn't tell stan anything and 313 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:09,760 stan was sort of 314 00:11:12,949 --> 00:11:11,440 taking the attitude well 315 00:11:14,230 --> 00:11:12,959 uh the guy may know something but he's 316 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:14,240 not telling me so he's not going to tell 317 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:16,000 anybody you're wasting your time leave 318 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:18,320 it alone so stan sort of gave up on him 319 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:20,800 but bill moore said i don't believe he 320 00:11:25,110 --> 00:11:22,560 is who you say he is but i'm going to 321 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:25,120 send a friend of mine in uh to check on 322 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:26,240 it and i don't know if you've ever heard 323 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:28,480 the story but he sent in uh kit green 324 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:30,800 who's now yeah i've heard this you know 325 00:11:34,389 --> 00:11:33,120 very famous now and in these things and 326 00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:34,399 i was saying 327 00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:36,959 i mean everybody's sort of come to 328 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:38,720 come to become religious about this 329 00:11:42,710 --> 00:11:40,720 whole thing now but these guys i was 330 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:42,720 talking about these guys in 1989 and i 331 00:11:47,350 --> 00:11:44,880 was saying pay attention to uh hal put 332 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:47,360 off kid green uh eric dave well eric 333 00:11:52,790 --> 00:11:49,519 davis wasn't around yet but um you know 334 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:52,800 richard doty robert collins um i knew 335 00:11:56,069 --> 00:11:54,160 about all these guys and i said these 336 00:11:58,150 --> 00:11:56,079 guys were important guys these guys were 337 00:11:59,910 --> 00:11:58,160 in the inside and they knew what was 338 00:12:02,150 --> 00:11:59,920 going on and everybody just sort of said 339 00:12:03,110 --> 00:12:02,160 wow grant's having a bad day you know 340 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:03,120 yeah i 341 00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:05,040 sort of remember you being so big on 342 00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:06,560 that and also 343 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:08,480 i i wanted to get back to just your 344 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:11,040 analysis of this has all happened before 345 00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:13,360 with ttsa because a lot of these names 346 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:14,880 that you mentioned 347 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:15,600 are 348 00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:17,760 were directly connected with bill moore 349 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:20,240 and the aviary and you believe that this 350 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:23,040 is some sort of government 351 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:26,320 sponsored roll out partial disclosure or 352 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:27,839 yeah can you tell us more about your 353 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:29,920 theory 354 00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:31,600 i know eric davis now has come out and 355 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:33,360 said that this is a conspiracy theory 356 00:12:37,509 --> 00:12:35,440 developed by people who make money on 357 00:12:38,949 --> 00:12:37,519 lectures and books well when i lecture 358 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:38,959 in the states i don't request an 359 00:12:42,389 --> 00:12:41,120 honorarium because i can't really make 360 00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:42,399 money in the united states i can lecture 361 00:12:45,269 --> 00:12:43,680 and i don't sell my books in the united 362 00:12:47,590 --> 00:12:45,279 states when i'm lecturing 363 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:47,600 so i do it for free so the fact that 364 00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:49,200 this is a conspiracy theory made up by 365 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:51,680 me and maybe whoever else that this idea 366 00:12:53,829 --> 00:12:52,480 of the government is doing the 367 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:53,839 disclosure one of the documents actually 368 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:55,760 found in stanton friedman's files i 369 00:12:58,389 --> 00:12:56,880 think is the most important document 370 00:13:00,230 --> 00:12:58,399 that i found and that's where i'm 371 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:00,240 looking for things that back up what i 372 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:03,360 already knew and one of the things was 373 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:05,760 if you're following this latest 374 00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:07,760 alien autopsy document this whole thing 375 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:09,839 about uh yeah yeah 376 00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:11,680 following you on facebook with the stuff 377 00:13:14,949 --> 00:13:13,040 that's going on with that and i think 378 00:13:17,509 --> 00:13:14,959 it's so weird that that's come back 379 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:17,519 around because it was kind of like in my 380 00:13:21,910 --> 00:13:19,360 mind and many others this is just 381 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:21,920 thoroughly debunked nonsense but now 382 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:24,560 we're getting some sort of supportive 383 00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:27,040 yeah and one of the documents in stan's 384 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:28,720 archives does support it because what i 385 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:29,760 say 386 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,800 has happened is uh there is real film 387 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:35,040 and it was put into the documentary 388 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:36,720 there is about two minutes of film 389 00:13:42,550 --> 00:13:38,800 there's 18 minutes of film two minutes 390 00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:42,560 of that film is actual footage and they 391 00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:44,240 they put the stuff in there and that 392 00:13:47,269 --> 00:13:45,839 will eventually i think somebody's gonna 393 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:47,279 come out and actually expose that whole 394 00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:49,600 thing but anyway well what happened was 395 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:52,320 when i went to stanton's files um 396 00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:55,279 and i've been sort of debating with uh 397 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:57,600 phil mantle who says you know he had all 398 00:14:01,189 --> 00:13:59,680 this and he did a real good research 399 00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:01,199 effort on this thing there was a whole 400 00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:02,639 other bunch of people who saw this 401 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:04,959 document and i said to him well or this 402 00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:07,040 this video and i said to him well how 403 00:14:10,629 --> 00:14:09,440 can you associate all these other people 404 00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:10,639 and he said well they didn't talk about 405 00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:13,839 it until 90 after 1995 when when alien 406 00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:15,440 autopsy came out and i thought to myself 407 00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:16,480 well that's got nothing to do with 408 00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:18,079 anything just because they talked about 409 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:20,079 after 95 but one of the guys that that 410 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:21,760 that mantle actually talked to was a guy 411 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,880 by now 412 00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:24,480 mike maloney who was the top 413 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:26,240 photographer in great britain for three 414 00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:29,360 years and he claimed that he was shown 415 00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,279 the film 416 00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:33,519 and this is in the fox 417 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:36,079 special he's interviewed and he said i 418 00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:38,720 saw that film and i tell you it is the 419 00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:41,360 same film in fact the one i saw actually 420 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:43,120 had the only thing that was different 421 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:46,240 was there was a live alien on the floor 422 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:48,880 and he said but i saw it and he 423 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:51,120 maintained was the same film and he had 424 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:52,480 been shown it 425 00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:53,519 by 426 00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:56,480 somebody inside disney so when i talked 427 00:15:01,189 --> 00:14:58,800 to um i i'm i'm pretty sure i knew who 428 00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:01,199 it was it was a guy by name of um 429 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:02,160 um 430 00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:03,920 kimball who was one of the nine 431 00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:05,839 animators for for disney was fascinated 432 00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:07,199 in ufos 433 00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:09,199 and so when i was talking to phil mantle 434 00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:11,279 he confirmed that yeah maloney had said 435 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,880 yeah it was kimball that showed him this 436 00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:14,880 video that he claimed that he'd been 437 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,120 shown the alien autopsy the video in 438 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:19,600 1978 which indicates that there was a 439 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:21,920 film and the whole alien autopsy thing 440 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:24,160 is this one of these plausible liability 441 00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:25,760 things you take a part of the film you 442 00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:27,920 make up this story you give it to him 443 00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:29,600 you know you set him up give him these 444 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,680 two two minutes of film and say the rest 445 00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:33,600 all dissolved or it fell apart or 446 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:35,759 whatever you we want you to put this in 447 00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:37,600 they give him some money he puts it up 448 00:15:41,829 --> 00:15:39,440 and so it gets out but then it falls 449 00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:41,839 apart every so it's a hoax and it was 450 00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:44,399 recreated so there was a film done and 451 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:45,920 they put this film in there so it all 452 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,680 falls apart now the thing that i found 453 00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,199 in stanton's files 454 00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:51,199 basically supports my entire theory and 455 00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:52,720 i say that this thing started back in 456 00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:55,199 1950 in the 1950s 457 00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:57,199 with a documentary that walt disney was 458 00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:58,800 asked to do because walt disney had done 459 00:16:02,949 --> 00:15:59,920 a lot of 460 00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:02,959 documentary material for the us military 461 00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:04,639 he was very patriotic done it during 462 00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:06,800 world war ii one on syphilis one on all 463 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:08,639 these different videos for the us 464 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:09,920 military 465 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:13,440 and he in 1979 466 00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:16,480 at the mufon conference uh ward kimball 467 00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:17,600 shows up 468 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:21,040 and he shows this 1956 documentary done 469 00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:23,680 by walt disney and we could never 470 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,920 confirm this i couldn't we can stanton 471 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:27,600 told me yes i remember i talked to him 472 00:16:31,509 --> 00:16:29,600 yes but we could never get it actually 473 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,519 in writing it's actually in stanton's 474 00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:33,920 files there's there's a brochure that's 475 00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:35,839 the only place i can see and it actually 476 00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,240 shows kimball from whatever it is nine 477 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:41,040 uh nine o'clock till 9 45 or something 478 00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:42,800 and talking about this documentary so it 479 00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,720 proves that there was a documentary now 480 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,639 we got to find the documentary now the 481 00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:48,160 ward kimball's files is one of the ones 482 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,360 i want to go after next because i want 483 00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:51,759 to try to see if kimball has the alien 484 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,160 autopsy stuff or some reference to this 485 00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,639 kind of stuff so disney was given this 486 00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,399 documentary and the story was the same 487 00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:00,720 story it's always the same story so he's 488 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,959 a he's a guy he's on the inside we want 489 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:04,480 to do this documentary we're going to 490 00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:05,520 give you these videos we're going to 491 00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:07,600 give you these these um this is a story 492 00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:08,799 kimball told we're going to give you 493 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,760 these videos we're going to give you 494 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,240 these these uh photographs and stuff 495 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:13,919 into the documentary so disney does the 496 00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:15,919 documentary and then at the very end 497 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,919 they say oh the time isn't right we 498 00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:19,600 can't give you the videos we can't give 499 00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:21,039 you we still want you to do a 500 00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:22,640 documentary but we can't give you the 501 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,120 hard evidence and they pull back the the 502 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:27,120 the videos and and the photographs the 503 00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,720 same thing happened in the 1970s with 504 00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:30,400 bob a manager and i knew bob i was going 505 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:32,720 to ask you about this because when you 506 00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:34,880 said you put a few minutes in 507 00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,799 and then you you leave out the rest and 508 00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,799 then you have plausible deniability that 509 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,120 this happened before again 510 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,600 yeah and then holloman right the house 511 00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:45,600 and bob told me i knew him really well i 512 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,840 mean i i used to stay at his place and i 513 00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:48,880 would ask him all these different 514 00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:52,559 questions and and and he said his was 515 00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:54,559 and he had dealt with kimball when we 516 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:55,679 when i brought up the kimball thing he 517 00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,520 said oh they they did it to disney he 518 00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,960 was floored he said they did it to 519 00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,960 disney the same as they did it to me and 520 00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,799 he had dealt with kimball at the same 521 00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,080 time when he was doing the documentary 522 00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,559 kimball was dealing with him and he had 523 00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:08,160 the same thing was offered and he was 524 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,600 basically he could use any videos he 525 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:11,440 wanted in fact there's one 526 00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,480 that james fox was working on that i let 527 00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:16,559 out the fact that that they had this 528 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,080 they were given a film if you're 529 00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,120 familiar with the very famous uh film 530 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,200 uh at vandenberg airport space where 531 00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:25,679 they launch and uh they they have it 532 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:27,919 they're filming it going downrange and 533 00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:30,320 these ufos come and they fly around it 534 00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:31,919 and they they sort of shoot this beam 535 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:34,080 into it and then the the missile tumbles 536 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:35,440 into the sea they're they're testing 537 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,600 this missile well bob manager had that 538 00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,600 film and so when he was talking about 539 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,200 the hulliman air force base film where 540 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,840 they they pull it back and he said they 541 00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:45,280 they take it back to the pentagon and 542 00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,880 then i confront him i said well you said 543 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,400 it back to go back to the pentagon there 544 00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,400 was eight seconds and he went well yeah 545 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,960 but he's well yeah but it was just 546 00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:54,320 background i said what do you mean his 547 00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,080 background he said well it didn't show 548 00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,480 anything i remember i remember you're 549 00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,640 listening to you tell a story the first 550 00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:02,559 time i heard it in a lecture of yours 551 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,440 and i thought that is not b-roll pal 552 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,440 that is that is even if it's eight 553 00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:09,600 seconds it's eight seconds of actual 554 00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:10,400 footage 555 00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,679 but it's plausible deniability it 556 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,200 doesn't show anything it just shows so 557 00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:15,120 they they it's like a light descent it's 558 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,880 almost like the two the two minutes of 559 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,480 filming the santilli film it's like two 560 00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,400 minutes there in the center film eight 561 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,000 seconds in the holloman thing but the 562 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,160 thing was he had the actual film he had 563 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,240 this film from vandenberg because i said 564 00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,400 to him oh because he was saying i could 565 00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,400 get anything i wanted we had nassau 566 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,480 footage we had like 567 00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:34,400 photographs and i said well you talked 568 00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:36,240 about the one that was actually analyzed 569 00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:37,679 by the guy who did the blue book stuff 570 00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,280 he mentioned the guy and he said the guy 571 00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,280 analyzed it he meant i came in the name 572 00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,280 escapes him but he named the guy and and 573 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,720 he said this is one in a million this is 574 00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,480 for real these are ufos around this 575 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:48,000 missile and they had the whole thing on 576 00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:49,120 film i said 577 00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:50,799 so that one go back to the pentagon and 578 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,679 he said no no i think ellen still got it 579 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,160 i said alan still got the film and he 580 00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,240 said yeah i think ellen still got it i 581 00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,320 said can you check if ellen still got 582 00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,559 this film this ti and it was top secret 583 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,159 and had quentin ella's name on the 584 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,120 canister he told me and and so in 585 00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,440 somebody's garage somewhere but no it's 586 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,000 it's uh alan i see allen was the the 587 00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:13,840 intelligence guy it was bob worked with 588 00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,960 alan sadler there's always an 589 00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,799 intelligence yeah 590 00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:18,559 there's always an alphabet soup guy 591 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,360 mixed into these stories same same as as 592 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,120 bill moore had jamie chandra and james 593 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,520 chandray was was cia he wasn't so is 594 00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:27,440 bill moore but jimmy shadrick that's why 595 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,000 the the the mj-12 document was not 596 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:32,400 mailed to bill moore or stav freeman it 597 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:33,760 was 598 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,120 asked like why did chandray get the 599 00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:41,039 thing because he was the cia guy and so 600 00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,880 alan sandler was the cia guy inside the 601 00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,760 uh 602 00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,080 um bob miniger thing bob says quite 603 00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,919 clearly and i've got the audios and one 604 00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:52,159 time i'm going to do a uh a powerpoint 605 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,120 presentation where i'm going to play 606 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,360 these audios bob said there was a ci guy 607 00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,000 his name was bill dick betsky he was a 608 00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,799 cia guy and he was on the set the entire 609 00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,720 time they were shooting the whole video 610 00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:04,480 the same as bill moore told me when they 611 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,600 did ufo cover up live and and i got word 612 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,280 that the falcon the real falcon had been 613 00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:11,120 there and i said to bill was the falcon 614 00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,480 in the audience and he said well i'll 615 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,919 tell you what granny said there was 12 616 00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,840 people in the audience uh that's as far 617 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:17,039 as i'm going to go which basically 618 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,480 confirmed yeah the the 619 00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,400 because because what happened was 620 00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,080 that bob that 621 00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,600 bill coleman 622 00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,000 who was the guy who authorized the film 623 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,559 for bob emeneger the the documentary 624 00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,400 past present future who was in the 625 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,480 e-ring of the pentagon he was the guy 626 00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,720 who was was green lighting everything 627 00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,159 um he 628 00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,400 um actually had been at ufo cover-up 629 00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,159 live talking about the the holloman 630 00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,799 story so he was there and he told billy 631 00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,799 cox from at the time he was i think was 632 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,559 in florida today now he's with the tampa 633 00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:48,400 tribune and 634 00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,280 um 635 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:50,799 he said 636 00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,600 believe this guy was involved i just i 637 00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,880 was florida couldn't believe this guy 638 00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,720 was involved and cox said well who was 639 00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,880 it he said i can't tell you and so it 640 00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,559 wasn't richard dodie there's no doubt it 641 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,919 wasn't richard dodie 642 00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,440 cox 643 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,360 bill coleman wouldn't have known who who 644 00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,520 it was but if it was richard helms which 645 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,799 is one of the stories it was richard 646 00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,080 helms he would have known who richard 647 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,440 helms was and he said i could not 648 00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,440 believe this guy was involved so you get 649 00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,039 this thing you get these guys there's 650 00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,799 always a ci guy in the background and 651 00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,080 that's what happened with eminence so 652 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,919 they had the ci guy in the background he 653 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:25,440 gets the film they pull the film at the 654 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,480 last minute but when i made the fact 655 00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,320 known i gave it to angela joyner she's 656 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,640 the one that told james fox and james 657 00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,320 fox was trying to negotiate now whether 658 00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,919 this is in his new documentary i'm not 659 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,720 sure but i know he was negotiating and 660 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,480 suddenly they realized they had 661 00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:43,039 alan sandler as as was described to me 662 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,559 he was the type of guy who could take a 663 00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,720 a stick and a piece of chewed up bubble 664 00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,080 gum in the morning and he would have 665 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,919 made money by night with it so he was 666 00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,240 actually wanting 25 000 just to view the 667 00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,039 film so he has it it's in it it's in a 668 00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,960 vault and he's the guy with the producer 669 00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,280 he's at the he had the production studio 670 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,280 uh bob was just the guy who did the 671 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,360 music for the documentary he did all the 672 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,520 he wrote the book he did all the all the 673 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:07,120 grunt work he did all the interviews and 674 00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,320 stuff like that but it was actually 675 00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:09,760 sandler was in the background who was 676 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,880 actually the the the real sort of the 677 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,960 cia guy behind the whole thing so you 678 00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:16,960 see this so you see emanager come up and 679 00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,120 so emma [\h__\h] do the same thing and as 680 00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,039 i pointed out numerous times bob told me 681 00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,640 the story well he told me a number of 682 00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,840 interesting stories he tells me the 683 00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,840 story about about close encounters the 684 00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,679 third kind so i'm talking to him and i 685 00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,559 said 686 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,159 bob you know if it weren't for the 687 00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,960 location and the time of day 688 00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,159 the holmes story it sounds like close 689 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,440 encounters the third kind it's the same 690 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,600 thing three ufos come they sit there and 691 00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,760 hover one comes one lens and the other 692 00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,600 two take off and he said what i didn't 693 00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:43,120 tell you and i said what you didn't tell 694 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,559 me what he said he didn't tell you i 695 00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:46,240 gave a copy to steven spielberg he said 696 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,919 no you didn't tell me that yeah he said 697 00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,360 well i told you andy spielberg was a 698 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,600 line producer for me his sister worked 699 00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,440 for me and i said well that explains 700 00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,480 where close encounters are the third 701 00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,200 kind and and and he said that 702 00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,279 steven spielberg's mother had come to 703 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,640 him after 704 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,320 ufo's press present future and after 705 00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,320 close encounters was done and said to 706 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:06,240 bob bob i just want to let you know i've 707 00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:07,360 seen your version of the landing and 708 00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,559 i've seen steven's version of the 709 00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,919 landing and i like steven's version 710 00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,080 better so again you had them doing it 711 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,400 and then in the 1980s there's these two 712 00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,240 guys that are running dava the defense 713 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,480 audio visual agency in norton air force 714 00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,720 base and one is a general who was the 715 00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,720 first um 716 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,400 um 717 00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,320 what do you call him agent for reagan in 718 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,799 hollywood uh general glenny miller was 719 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,200 his name and then there was this bob 720 00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,400 bob scott 721 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,200 who had two phds i believe 722 00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,360 and one was the general one had two phds 723 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,679 and they come to bob in the 1980s and 724 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,360 they say to bob 725 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,200 uh the government liked what he did in 726 00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,360 the 1970s and they'd like you to do it 727 00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,840 again and so they bring them in and 728 00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,520 that's when they want jalen heineck and 729 00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,360 they want and valet talked about this we 730 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,600 read his third book that's just come out 731 00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,120 he talks about this as well he calls it 732 00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,200 the dangling carrot where they wanted 733 00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,880 heinek involved in this documentary and 734 00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,200 they wanted uh valet but they both knew 735 00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,960 what had happened in 1970 so they didn't 736 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,679 want to get involved but emeniger tells 737 00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,080 the story how they were take took heinek 738 00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,480 into the vault at dava and he said to 739 00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,440 the 740 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,279 um 741 00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,600 what was his name uh the security 742 00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,000 manager paul shardle he said i want you 743 00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,080 to pull all the ufo films and show it to 744 00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,240 heinek and he said well sir general i'm 745 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,600 afraid you have to have a requisition 746 00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,360 for that he said god damn i'll have your 747 00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,960 ass pull the film and show it to 748 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,640 heineken he said series general i can't 749 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,640 do it without a wreck you need a proper 750 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,600 record 751 00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,120 to pull it so they were going to do this 752 00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,760 again and that's what emanager said 753 00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,039 he said 754 00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,279 well is reagan behind this 755 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,559 and they wouldn't answer the question 756 00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,400 because the story was and and linda howe 757 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,240 tells the story and i was at a table 758 00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,840 when she confronted bob emeneger she's 759 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,679 confronted a number of times that she 760 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,559 claims that she and another researcher 761 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,000 whose name is escaping right at the 762 00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,000 moment were at bob's house in l.a when 763 00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,000 he lived in l.a and that he'd shown her 764 00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,600 a letter from richard nixon that said 765 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,559 thank you for your your uh cooperation 766 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,320 and the project we worked on oh wow so 767 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,840 you see this going all the way through 768 00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,480 so when bill moore came up what happened 769 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,320 with bill moore is the same thing if 770 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,480 you're if you're on a prominent guy and 771 00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,640 they they can use you to put the story 772 00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,039 out and get the message out so bill had 773 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,200 written the roswell that the whole thing 774 00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,960 starts with the roswell book the roswell 775 00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,200 incident which sold a million copies 776 00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,120 which is why stan would could never get 777 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,799 along he was supposed to get a he was 778 00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:26,080 supposed to get part of the royalties he 779 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,279 didn't get part of the royalties for the 780 00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:30,480 book he was supposed to get a um 781 00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:31,520 a 782 00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,679 1980 783 00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,760 bill moore and burlets put out the 784 00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,520 roswell instead before then nobody knew 785 00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,520 what roswell was nobody knew about cross 786 00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,600 saucers nobody knew about dead aliens 787 00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,120 none of that stuff 788 00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,159 in fact i was at the 78 mufon conference 789 00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,799 in dayton when uh len stringfield did 790 00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:08,480 the first um 791 00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,320 uh lecture on uh alien autopsies and 792 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,720 crashes and there was yeah and he had 793 00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,240 the death threats and had to move into a 794 00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,919 different hotel it was a really 795 00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,799 traumatic thing because that was the 796 00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,799 first time i ever talked about it so 797 00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,640 when bill came out with with actually 798 00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,440 legitimate witnesses he's contacted he 799 00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,799 within the first week when he goes on 800 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,799 the book tour he's contacted first by 801 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,360 richard doty in albuquerque and then 802 00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,120 he's contacted from offutt air force 803 00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,159 base by a guy who i say is his name is 804 00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,600 um oh now his name's gonna escape me um 805 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:41,919 major 806 00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,880 he was dia he was in washington they 807 00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,720 moved him to offutt air force base and 808 00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,640 his name has escaped me but but i 809 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,799 believe that he was the the main the 810 00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,720 main guy who who got them and they both 811 00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:54,080 said the bill 812 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,360 uh you're the only guy knows what you're 813 00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,880 talking about that's how you catch bill 814 00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,640 moore because bill moore believed he was 815 00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,919 the only guy knew he was talking about 816 00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,440 he was the smartest guy in the room and 817 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:03,919 this may be and this may be how some 818 00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:06,880 similar folks have caught uh one former 819 00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,679 rock star in my opinion as well yeah 820 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,440 it's this well that's right it's so 821 00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,000 close to the same story yes in your book 822 00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,279 managing magic which i have to say 823 00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,520 i i say you need people who have ego who 824 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:21,919 believe and but people who have some 825 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,880 power to to change things that uh it's 826 00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,320 so it's not just that they're using the 827 00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,559 guy they're the the guy is actually 828 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,039 doing some work in terms of uh helping 829 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,440 this disclosure slowly leaking the story 830 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,640 out so you get bill moore uh you get 831 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,640 stephen greer 832 00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,640 and you get tom delong and what i said 833 00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,799 is is you need a huge ego because you 834 00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,640 and i or anybody else i mean if you came 835 00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,799 up against what these guys have i mean 836 00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,159 you just walk away you say i don't need 837 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,480 this crap you know i mean this is it 838 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,240 it's a tough job you're taking a lot of 839 00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:54,000 criticism a lot of backlash they're 840 00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,279 being called all sorts of names and 841 00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,720 stuff so you need this big ego and 842 00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,640 that's when tom delonge actually came 843 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,000 when i said it's the same story they're 844 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,080 just rerunning the same story again 845 00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,919 they've got another guy who has this big 846 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,520 audience that they can they can put 847 00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,840 stuff into the ufo community into the 848 00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,399 general public and he's got some pull 849 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,080 and they come to him and i said you know 850 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,760 he's the same big ego he believes that 851 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,000 he's you know walks on water and stuff 852 00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,760 and that's when he went after me on on 853 00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,039 whether it's facebook or twitter or 854 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,679 whatever and said well grant's okay guy 855 00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,200 but he doesn't have an inside source 856 00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,559 which i did have an insight source on 857 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,200 what was going on and he said and i 858 00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:29,039 don't have a problem with my ego so he 859 00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,399 he was very upset that i had brought up 860 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,919 this ego thing but yeah 861 00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,760 i sort of remember that happening and 862 00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,559 just an aside i uh 863 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,320 thought i was on friendly terms with him 864 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,760 too and then i uh sort of asked the 865 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,240 wrong couple of questions but then i 866 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,000 decided that those must have been the 867 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,880 right questions to ask him because since 868 00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,080 uh 869 00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,000 engaging in some form of discussion with 870 00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,679 him over 871 00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,159 just over some doubts that i have about 872 00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,000 this whole ttsa thing you know i was 873 00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,559 honest with him like a friend and said i 874 00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,080 have some questions and here's the 875 00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,000 questions then he blocked me on twitter 876 00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,919 hasn't spoken to me since 877 00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,760 so yeah yeah i never deal with these 878 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,240 guys one of my rules is always yeah you 879 00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,640 are you you stay insulated you have yeah 880 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:13,840 i said i stay 881 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,799 i wish i could do this you you i gotta i 882 00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,640 gotta engage people it's the only way i 883 00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,799 can get the information well that but i 884 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,360 use people like you so uh sure yeah like 885 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,120 i always say i stay one step removed 886 00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,240 from my victim so i i know who to watch 887 00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,799 that's why i said in the 1980s i was 888 00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,480 telling people watch these people these 889 00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,880 people are and they're not bad guys and 890 00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,399 they're not government people it's not a 891 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,559 government conspiracy what they are is 892 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,240 guys who 893 00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:42,480 at some point during their career 894 00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,840 had a um encounter with the ufo subject 895 00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,159 in their job and they became fascinated 896 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,600 or are there experiences like a lot of 897 00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,520 their experiences you got jack sarfati 898 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,720 he's an experiencer he had the phone 899 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,720 call when he's 12 years old eric davis 900 00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,200 had this dramatic ufo sighting when he 901 00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,000 was having his graduation for his phd uh 902 00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,240 hell put off according to jack sarfati 903 00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,399 he may have had a ufo experience so all 904 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:06,080 these guys are just fascinated it's just 905 00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,440 that they're a different level in you 906 00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,679 and i they have security clearances they 907 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,399 have insides so they because bill moore 908 00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:14,080 put these guys all together and he gave 909 00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,360 him these bird names they didn't know 910 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,080 they had bird names and bill moore and 911 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,679 chandra was using this so they could 912 00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,600 talk about these guys without people 913 00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,720 figuring out who they were talking about 914 00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,840 on the phone 915 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,039 and that i guess this was their 916 00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,720 intelligence thing or they like to play 917 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,880 these little games so they all yeah and 918 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,880 like i said it's like spy games you know 919 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,880 yeah yeah and all these guys got to know 920 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,240 each other and they so they had 921 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:35,760 exchanges and they have these email 922 00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,640 lists 923 00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,480 and that's where the eric davis thing 924 00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,679 came from that's what happened with the 925 00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,840 eric davis thing is these guys exchange 926 00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,440 emails all the time but they don't put 927 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:45,039 you and i on the list because you don't 928 00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,320 have the security clearance you gotta 929 00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,600 like me i'm gonna get a big mouth so 930 00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,360 they're not gonna put me on the bed yeah 931 00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,600 and and but i did see some of the emails 932 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,120 in fact that when i told you the story 933 00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,559 about bill moore helping me in the 1980s 934 00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,640 he had sent he said i'm gonna send in my 935 00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,399 i'm gonna send it a friend to talk to 936 00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:02,640 eric walker and the guy he sends in is 937 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:05,840 bj and bj is the blue jay blue jay is 938 00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,720 kit green so in 1990 kit green is the 939 00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,039 big big rock star now in terms of you 940 00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,039 know all the leaked documents and stuff 941 00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,200 but in 1990 he went to see dr eric 942 00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,080 walker at penn state university on 943 00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,799 bill moore's behalf to question him does 944 00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,240 his grant cameron write that this guy 945 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,919 actually knows something and though the 946 00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,760 story was there he goes into the office 947 00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,600 and they had both worked on submarines 948 00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,159 like kit green was was was uh you know 949 00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,399 cia and they both worked on the glomar 950 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,919 explorer so they were talking about the 951 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,000 the howard hughes ship to glo marx blur 952 00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,240 according to one email that that i saw 953 00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,159 that had been floating around with these 954 00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,200 avery guys all exchanging this and they 955 00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,960 talked for an hour half an hour or 956 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,640 something like that and the minute he 957 00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,320 brought up ufos 958 00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:50,559 walker went totally nuts and he started 959 00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,360 to 960 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,519 yell and scream you're not the president 961 00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,440 i don't have to tell you anything and he 962 00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,960 was sort of looking at these books in 963 00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,039 the corner trying to give kid green the 964 00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,880 idea that we're being listened to and 965 00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,159 i'm not talking to you and basically 966 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,080 threw him out of the room so that's the 967 00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,840 thing is uh kit green was trying to 968 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,120 figure it out for himself he's trying to 969 00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,200 figure out uh 970 00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,880 you know what's going on and and one of 971 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,559 the big stories about kit green that i 972 00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,480 had heard many years ago 973 00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,600 uh 974 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,360 was that he had tried to get read into 975 00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,760 the alien autopsy thing he had been read 976 00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,760 in a lot of parts of the ufo program but 977 00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,240 he was a he's a physiologist he was a 978 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,240 doctor so he wanted to be read on the 979 00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,760 alien autopsy but it could never get 980 00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,240 read in and you'll see that in this this 981 00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,159 alien autopsy document that confirms i 982 00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,919 heard that 20 years ago that he couldn't 983 00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,360 get in and you see it in the alien 984 00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,360 autopsy document that he's there and 985 00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,640 he's trying to get briefed and they 986 00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:40,159 would they would bring him into a skiff 987 00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:41,120 and they would sort of tell him 988 00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,159 something but they wouldn't show him the 989 00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,600 video you said i was going to see a 990 00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,440 video now you're not seeing a video so 991 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,960 these guys have been around and they 992 00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,080 interact with each other because they 993 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,600 can trust each other and they're trying 994 00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,120 to put it together the same as you and i 995 00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,799 but they're at a different level in uni 996 00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,320 they're like i always refer to them like 997 00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,320 they're like guys who are collecting 998 00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,080 wild game animals that are that are 999 00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,679 illegal and the only people who get to 1000 00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,279 see their who what they what they 1001 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,159 collect is their their friends and my 1002 00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,000 disagreement with it was not that 1003 00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,760 they're bad guys but they're i called 1004 00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:10,000 them mj-12 too so what you 12 guys are 1005 00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,200 going to figure it out that doesn't help 1006 00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,359 anybody and so i've always sort of 1007 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,960 stayed on the sidelines always listening 1008 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,800 to everything they say and the big one 1009 00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,800 i'm sort of famous for is ron pandolfie 1010 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,280 who's the supposed i don't know if he's 1011 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,960 with cia anymore he's still operational 1012 00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,240 he's in the government somewhere and 1013 00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,399 because he's been at the ci since 1983 1014 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,399 or he's been in intelligence he's no low 1015 00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,760 level guy he's a very high level 1016 00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,000 whatever he's doing he's got an insight 1017 00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,440 on this thing he's playing some sort of 1018 00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,040 role i've never ever talked the guy 1019 00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,960 everybody thinks i you know people would 1020 00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,399 say when i go to mount shasta or 1021 00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,839 something they say don't bring your cia 1022 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,119 with you and i go like i've never talked 1023 00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,960 to a guy i'm just saying you listen to 1024 00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,359 what the guy is saying i i say you're 1025 00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:47,440 everything he's saying means something 1026 00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,480 well you know actually just an aside i 1027 00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,200 i have heard you talk about him many 1028 00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,440 different times and i kind of tried to 1029 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:00,320 go down that rabbit hole and it's a 1030 00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,480 crazy like he posts some just bizarre 1031 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:06,160 you know 1032 00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,880 yeah 1033 00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,560 it's like things like alice in 1034 00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,880 wonderland kind of just 1035 00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,520 but they always do that if you go back 1036 00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,000 but what i'm saying is it's like i i 1037 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,240 understand that you and a few other 1038 00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,240 people have told me that this guy knows 1039 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,800 something and is has read deep into the 1040 00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,160 program and 1041 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,000 but then you get to some of the posts 1042 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,760 and stuff and it's just this bizarre 1043 00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,480 stuff and and was he was talking about 1044 00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,560 portals for a while right and he's got 1045 00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,079 well the portal thing i think is true i 1046 00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,079 mean i've got him on the video i mean 1047 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,599 i've got him the only time he ever got 1048 00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,760 caught on video and he was really angry 1049 00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,599 uh bruce mcavee showed it to him and he 1050 00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,839 said that cameron is a thief but he put 1051 00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,079 it on his wife's youtube channel and and 1052 00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,520 i grabbed it 1053 00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,040 he was on a cruise going through the 1054 00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,119 panama canal and they're having a 1055 00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,480 discussion and his wife uh they call her 1056 00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,640 the princess aliyah and she says okay 1057 00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,160 foot man what do you think and that's 1058 00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,240 when he says well people have always 1059 00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,680 wondered what it's like to go into 1060 00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,240 another world the next time john and his 1061 00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,520 friend john is a guy he went to 1062 00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,000 university with is sitting beside him 1063 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,839 john sillison is the guy's name he lives 1064 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,240 in california and he said next time john 1065 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,160 goes to the desert a number of us here 1066 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,000 will go into the next world and come 1067 00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,000 back again and this is this reference 1068 00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,079 constant reference to the portal now 1069 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,680 when it comes to the crazy stuff they 1070 00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,200 did this back in the avery days too it 1071 00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,359 was called the birch the bird chatter 1072 00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,680 and if you go to robert collins writes a 1073 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,160 book uh called exempt from disclosure 1074 00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,599 and he talks about this bird chatter 1075 00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,880 it's the same thing 1076 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,640 or like bill moore when they got the 1077 00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:36,320 cutler twining memo they were given 1078 00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,599 these little rhymes and riddles they 1079 00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,720 were given these little things and you 1080 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,240 had to sit there and figure it out they 1081 00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,920 like the intelligence people who are 1082 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,760 leaving them the clues want to play this 1083 00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,880 little thing you got to figure out the 1084 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,880 riddle and so moore and these guys would 1085 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,480 figure it out or when they had the thing 1086 00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,400 with the live alien that supposedly they 1087 00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,400 had a live alien in washington off the 1088 00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,320 mall and this is told in this exempt 1089 00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,800 from disclosure book by jimmy chandere 1090 00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,400 was by the time they figured out the 1091 00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,880 bird chatter the the alien had already 1092 00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,400 gone back and it was too late when they 1093 00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,280 finally got to this room uh but they had 1094 00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:06,960 all these all these messages were being 1095 00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,839 sent to them and they were trying to 1096 00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,920 decode these messages so when what 1097 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,400 happened was with with pandolfi 1098 00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,160 one of the key things with him that 1099 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,560 shows that this this is the real deal is 1100 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,280 that if you see to the stars uh jim 1101 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,040 semivan 1102 00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,960 eight months before tom delonge ever 1103 00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,560 went public i said 1104 00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:28,880 tom delong i said uh all this was going 1105 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,839 to happen i had a somebody inside the 1106 00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,760 that was telling me what was going on i 1107 00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,960 knew it was called the big man in 1108 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,560 washington i figured out it was jim 1109 00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,240 semivan i didn't even told me his name 1110 00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,320 but i figured it out from a bunch of 1111 00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,359 different clues as to who it was and um 1112 00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,119 so jim semivan 1113 00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,760 uh the story was told to me 1114 00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,359 without using his name was that he had 1115 00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,119 this he had the ufo 1116 00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,880 encounter which he's confirmed that he 1117 00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:54,560 had this encounter the beings are in his 1118 00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,160 room and um he goes to the cia 1119 00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,560 the next day and he goes to ron pandolf 1120 00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,800 and he says to ron he says 1121 00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:04,160 i need to know what happened in my room 1122 00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,280 last night 1123 00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,040 and he sort of describes it and run says 1124 00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,960 you don't need to know and he said i 1125 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,480 don't need to know i tell you what you 1126 00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,160 bring your boss's boss in here we'll see 1127 00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,160 who hasn't doesn't have a need to know 1128 00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,800 and so what i'm told and the source i'm 1129 00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,720 pretty sure is pretty clear that told me 1130 00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,640 that was that they brought in 1131 00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,960 tenet the head of the cia and he said 1132 00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:24,960 leave it alone jim this is just going to 1133 00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,630 you just pretend it's a one-off i 1134 00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:32,160 remember that expression printed it's a 1135 00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,440 one-off that only happened one time 1136 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,440 it'll never happen again and the story 1137 00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,760 was that when you retired in 2008 the 1138 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,520 story i was told that ron pandolfie 1139 00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,440 walked in and 1140 00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,359 briefed him and if you see 1141 00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,280 the kit green stuff crit green mentions 1142 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,480 that that when you're in the government 1143 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,760 you really don't have that high security 1144 00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,440 clearance but the minute you retire and 1145 00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,119 you go into private industry then you 1146 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,960 get the high security clearances so then 1147 00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,200 he's told what's what's going on then he 1148 00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:56,800 goes in and he helps tom delong he 1149 00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,079 becomes the the head the co-head of of 1150 00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,240 to the stars and he's the guy that put 1151 00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,599 it in the new york times the washington 1152 00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,680 post and politico all the same day which 1153 00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,359 clearly indicates there's there's a the 1154 00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,880 government's behind this thing but what 1155 00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,200 happened was so i knew that jim semivan 1156 00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,480 was there so when when to the stars uh 1157 00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,119 first announced on october 11 2017 i 1158 00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,640 went to dan smith who was very close 1159 00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,240 friends with ron so i don't deal with 1160 00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:21,839 ron i deal with 1161 00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:24,800 with dan smith i said okay so ask ron 1162 00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,079 like okay here's tom here's jim semivan 1163 00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,520 so what's he got to say about jim 1164 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,200 semivam and he came back to me and he 1165 00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,520 said oh no he doesn't he doesn't exist 1166 00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,880 and he said well he does exist what do 1167 00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,119 you mean he doesn't exist he exists and 1168 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,880 no it was maybe before that i mentioned 1169 00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,200 before before he went public and i said 1170 00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,599 ask him about jim semivan he said no he 1171 00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,680 doesn't exist and i said he does exist 1172 00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,960 and he kept fighting he said you know 1173 00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,320 you got to quit posting stuff on jimmy 1174 00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,240 some event ron doesn't exist and this is 1175 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,680 not fair you're making up this stuff 1176 00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,680 over jim semivam and i said you want to 1177 00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,040 see some photographs of jim send me that 1178 00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,640 and then dan smith says you got 1179 00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,200 photographs i see i got photographs 1180 00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,520 and and so when he went public 1181 00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,920 then then they changed the story they 1182 00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:05,440 said oh yeah he exists but his name 1183 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,200 isn't jim semivan and and then it was uh 1184 00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:11,520 this weird thing and i'm going like why 1185 00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,720 is he denying if jim semivan ran 1186 00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,280 covert offs for two years in the cia why 1187 00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,599 is ron who's been at the sea i since 83 1188 00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,640 pretending he doesn't know who jim 1189 00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:22,800 semivan is and it's like well it's kind 1190 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,760 of evident he's working for ron pandolfi 1191 00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,280 it's they're all on the same team and 1192 00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,599 it's plausible liability so that's when 1193 00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,200 if you if you've ever interviewed 1194 00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,359 melinda leslie she has this conversation 1195 00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,160 with with jim semivan that jim semivan 1196 00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,599 the only person he's talking to is 1197 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,839 melinda leslie so she told me and i know 1198 00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,920 the whole story it's a very wild story 1199 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,800 which 1200 00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:45,040 i i can't she can't tell it but i know 1201 00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,560 what the story is who set this meeting 1202 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,560 up but so i knew this meeting was being 1203 00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,240 set up the gym semi-van was coming to 1204 00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,839 sedona and she says well what do you 1205 00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,839 want to ask jim semivan i said i only 1206 00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,680 got two questions for them number one is 1207 00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,400 to the stars is this is this a a a 1208 00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,560 government operation is is it 1209 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,240 constitutional that's what it was is 1210 00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,000 this a constitutional operation is this 1211 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480 something that is being done by the book 1212 00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,400 so is it a plausible deniability the 1213 00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:10,000 government's operating this thing and 1214 00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,960 they're doing it through possible 1215 00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,160 liability you've got the government's 1216 00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,839 green light on this thing or are you a 1217 00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,760 bunch of rogue guys who are trying to 1218 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,800 steal stuff from the government and 1219 00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,000 stuff and he said no it's a 1220 00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:20,319 constitutional it's it's as far as you 1221 00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,119 know 1222 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,200 it it's it's a legitimate operation and 1223 00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,640 that it was greenlighted by the pentagon 1224 00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,000 so that was the one question the other 1225 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,599 question was what the hell is wrong with 1226 00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,000 ron pandolf why is he denying you exist 1227 00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,160 and jim semivan's answer was well he's 1228 00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,680 just trying to distance himself from the 1229 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,760 story and that makes sense that he that 1230 00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,839 he's just putting all this stuff out 1231 00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,359 because he's actually the guy that may 1232 00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,119 be running the whole operation that he 1233 00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,960 knows what's going on but he can't come 1234 00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,480 out and say oh yeah okay i know what's 1235 00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,720 going on and expose the thing it's it's 1236 00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,480 always this plausible liability thing so 1237 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,839 you put it out you pull it back you put 1238 00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,520 it out you pull it back and that's what 1239 00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,280 i say happen in area 51 that's what i 1240 00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,119 say happen and it's happened so you have 1241 00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,119 these avery guys start with bill they 1242 00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,520 start with eminiger so help put office 1243 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,640 with emeneger so is uh john alexander 1244 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,000 all these guys were they may get her in 1245 00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,000 the 70s then when bill moore comes along 1246 00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,599 bill moore goes to these guys because 1247 00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,800 they've got information they've been 1248 00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,920 inside the government they've got little 1249 00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,599 bits of the thing then they all sort of 1250 00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,599 joined together then john alexander has 1251 00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,599 this group in 1985 called the advanced 1252 00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,440 physics theoretical working group which 1253 00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,119 i was the one that exposed the name of 1254 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,880 it named john started using the actual 1255 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,640 name of the thing because i got the 1256 00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:24,160 notes from the meeting and then john 1257 00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:25,200 said well nobody supposed to have any 1258 00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:26,319 notes and then when he found out i had 1259 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,440 notes and he said well no we're supposed 1260 00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,280 to have notes for the meeting and so 1261 00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,119 then they all gather in 85 and it's 1262 00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,720 always the same thing so you have these 1263 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,200 guys who are high level intelligence 1264 00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,720 people or military people who are trying 1265 00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,079 to figure together they're friends with 1266 00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:40,160 each other so every time somebody comes 1267 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,440 along so 1268 00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,200 john alexander is having this meeting in 1269 00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,319 the skiff 20 people top secret sei 1270 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,599 clearances so they're going to go to the 1271 00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,640 meeting you're not you're not going to 1272 00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:50,400 miss this meeting because everybody else 1273 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,520 hasn't got answers you can't figure 1274 00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,280 what's going on and these other guys may 1275 00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,720 have the answers so in these notes that 1276 00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,480 i'm going to be releasing you're going 1277 00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,000 to see they have these discussions and 1278 00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:00,000 they're going like are we cut out of 1279 00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,359 this thing has the government run this 1280 00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,640 thing and we don't know what's what it's 1281 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,480 going into a black hole and then one of 1282 00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,000 the other guys says yeah that would be 1283 00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,319 about sum it up and stuff like this and 1284 00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,319 this very unique conversation that they 1285 00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:12,079 really know what's going on and these 1286 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:13,280 are these top guys so they're trying to 1287 00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,200 figure it out so and then in 1990s 1288 00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,960 you have the nids thing form so bob 1289 00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,680 bigelow's got money and and and he's 1290 00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:24,000 he's hiring these guys at huge money 1291 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,200 they're bringing these people in so he's 1292 00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,440 bringing in kit green hal put off john 1293 00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:29,200 alexander that same crowd you're 1294 00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,560 bringing them in because these guys know 1295 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,640 what's going on and bigelow is trying to 1296 00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,240 figure out what's going on and bigelow 1297 00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,920 is going to pay you so why would you not 1298 00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,680 go to bigelow's nids meeting and join 1299 00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,800 the meeting because you're going to get 1300 00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,560 paid huge amounts of money and all these 1301 00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,839 guys who know what's going on and maybe 1302 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,359 bigelow's got some contacts in the 1303 00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,400 government they're all just trying to 1304 00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,319 figure it out so they go to the nids 1305 00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,520 then 1306 00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,800 along comes joe furmage who's got like 1307 00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,040 millions tens of millions of dollars and 1308 00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:54,960 he starts and they all join up with with 1309 00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,160 firm age and then uh when when that all 1310 00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,520 folds and when niz folds then uh bigelow 1311 00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,119 gets the money from the government just 1312 00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,599 to start the the whole atip thing then 1313 00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:07,119 they realize oh there's more money and 1314 00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,240 we've got the thing we're inside the 1315 00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,680 government again and everybody joins the 1316 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,920 same crowd so it's the same guys that 1317 00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,920 are cycling in and out because they're 1318 00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,119 going where the money is and they're 1319 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,720 going where the information is and so 1320 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,720 they cycle through and tom de long just 1321 00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,280 comes along and he provides 1322 00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,599 an opportunity for the government to do 1323 00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,599 this possible liability thing because he 1324 00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119 actually goes to lockheed skunk works if 1325 00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,040 you know the story he goes and he says 1326 00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,800 this is my pitch you guys can't get it 1327 00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,480 to the young people you're you're 1328 00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,880 screwing this whole thing up uh i've got 1329 00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:36,880 the x number of twitter followers and 1330 00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,920 instagram and facebook and stuff and uh 1331 00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,560 i i think i can sort of work between you 1332 00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,800 and you can put it through me and and 1333 00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,319 then i'll put it to the people and 1334 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,839 you've got plausible liability and the 1335 00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,240 one guy says this may actually work and 1336 00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,680 so then 1337 00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,599 podesta joins the crowd they start 1338 00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:55,119 sending him and he goes it's sending to 1339 00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,400 washington he picks up those two 1340 00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,480 intelligence guys they send up to nasa 1341 00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,800 they they and they picks up a guy there 1342 00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,400 then they send them to ames pick up a 1343 00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:04,000 guy there then they send to the general 1344 00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,280 then the general gives them another 1345 00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,280 general and he he puts this whole group 1346 00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,040 together of all these high-level people 1347 00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,280 who are feeding them material and it's 1348 00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,640 the same story so bill moore was the 1349 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,720 same thing he had all the same 1350 00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,640 high-level people in fact there's a 1351 00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,560 document that i'm going to in i'm 1352 00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,079 releasing a book called the alien 1353 00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,160 documents and in there 1354 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,040 i was given documents by 1355 00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,760 um it's a manuscript that was done by a 1356 00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,280 guy named of um 1357 00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,359 frank rand now nobody's probably ever 1358 00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:33,440 heard of this guy but what happened was 1359 00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,400 in 1968 james mcdonald who was the top 1360 00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,400 sort of researcher that went to the u.n 1361 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:39,920 to to he was from the university of 1362 00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,040 arizona a big ufo guy spoke at the un 1363 00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,400 with heineken stanton friedman people 1364 00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,920 and um 1365 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,359 they 1366 00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,520 mcdonald was pushing he was friends with 1367 00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:53,839 president uh johnson so he's pushing 1368 00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,720 johnson for a study so johnson orders an 1369 00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,319 eyes only study for the president of the 1370 00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,720 united states so they run this this eyes 1371 00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,000 only study 1372 00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,400 and the people that are on it 1373 00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,480 are identical 1374 00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,440 identical to tom delong so tom delong 1375 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:12,000 has uh robert weiss from lockheed's 1376 00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,200 conquerors the head of lockheed skunk 1377 00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,680 works until the wikileaks exposes him 1378 00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,960 then he's got to run for cover and the 1379 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,720 two generals and they sort of pretend 1380 00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,920 that these guys disappear they're still 1381 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:21,520 there but they pretend they disappear 1382 00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,720 they disappear in the background and 1383 00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,680 then they bring out the b team they 1384 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,000 bring out uh justice who's like a lower 1385 00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,520 level uh lockheed guy so he has lockheed 1386 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,359 skunk works head of lucky skunk works 1387 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,760 the the eyes only study had kelly 1388 00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,200 johnson who's the head of lockheed skunk 1389 00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,599 works they have the cia guy they have 1390 00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,599 like the jim semivam 1391 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,720 uh the 68th study for johnson had art 1392 00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,440 lundall art lundall was the guy before 1393 00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,800 kit green he's the guy that ran the 1394 00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,640 weird desk then kit green ran the rear 1395 00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,400 desk now ron pandolfie runs the weird 1396 00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,960 ass so you have the same the same cia 1397 00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:54,160 guy 1398 00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,760 tom delong had a two-star general from 1399 00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:58,160 wright-patterson for space the 1968 said 1400 00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,200 he had a four-star general from 1401 00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,720 wright-patterson air force base tom 1402 00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,119 delonge has the uh a general at the 1403 00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,520 national reconnaissance organization the 1404 00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,640 1968 said he had the second head of the 1405 00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,319 national reconnaissance organization 1406 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,800 it's the same level of people it's like 1407 00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,760 it's like if you need it if you're going 1408 00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,520 to ufo study you need head of lockheed 1409 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,520 scott works you need a guy from nro you 1410 00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,440 need a general from right patterson air 1411 00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,599 force base it's the same it's like just 1412 00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,359 replaying the same story over again and 1413 00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,040 when you see this kind of stuff then you 1414 00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,599 see this this this game that they're 1415 00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,559 playing 1416 00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,640 that i think they know a lot less and 1417 00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,760 then it's like 1418 00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,520 it's like they have a playbook that they 1419 00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,319 keep going back to time and time again 1420 00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,880 and you've you've more than anyone i 1421 00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,720 would credit you for spotting these 1422 00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,920 patterns 1423 00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,280 over and over and it would make sense 1424 00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,720 because i worked in the government i 1425 00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,880 worked i worked at a university so i i 1426 00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,559 worked in a government 1427 00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,400 environment and i know that everything 1428 00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,920 in the government it's the old joke 1429 00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,359 everybody forgets when it comes to ufos 1430 00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,960 they think that there's a bunch of rogue 1431 00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,240 people running around in the government 1432 00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,319 and doing stuff in the government it's 1433 00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,800 like six levels of paperwork and you 1434 00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:02,000 don't know what you're you know it's 1435 00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,359 that sort of thing and that's the way 1436 00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,920 it's done so i say that the ufo 1437 00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,079 situation you've had 14 administrations 1438 00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:09,520 who've had to deal with the ufo subjects 1439 00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,880 since since roosevelt seven republican 1440 00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,480 seven democratic administrations and 1441 00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,000 they've all done the same thing which 1442 00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,319 would tend to indicate to me that they 1443 00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,640 are working off a playbook that there is 1444 00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:23,440 that at high levels they are all doing 1445 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,559 exactly what has been has been uh 1446 00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,720 planned out because if they were if it 1447 00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,920 was unconstitutional that was the 1448 00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:32,000 question i asked for jim semivan is this 1449 00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,200 constitutional because if it's 1450 00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,359 unconstitutional i absolutely maintain 1451 00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,200 someone is going to walk somebody is 1452 00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,960 going to leak it everybody's playing the 1453 00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,240 game everybody's saluting everybody's 1454 00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,520 doing it because they all believe 1455 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,119 they're doing the right thing what i've 1456 00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,200 really changed in the last maybe in the 1457 00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,160 in the last two years is i now believe 1458 00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,319 the government really doesn't know 1459 00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,720 anything that's the big cover-up that 1460 00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,280 they really they know ufos exist they've 1461 00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:57,200 got films they've got bodies they've got 1462 00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,480 crafts they've got all this kind of 1463 00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,040 stuff but beyond that they know diddly 1464 00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,280 squat they have no idea and the proof of 1465 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,440 that i don't know if you follow all 1466 00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,760 these these different debates you know 1467 00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,599 the one with the the meta materials 1468 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,680 which i say have nothing to do with you 1469 00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,960 don't come across the galaxy and then 1470 00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,400 little pieces start falling off flying 1471 00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:16,079 saucers that's everybody's got this 1472 00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,280 crazy idea that you're going to get this 1473 00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,800 piece of metal and you're going to back 1474 00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,559 engineer it and build a flying saucers 1475 00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,559 total crazy stuff and then 1476 00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,520 that i tend to wholeheartedly agree with 1477 00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,000 you and this is another thing that is a 1478 00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,880 replay because these parts that ttsa are 1479 00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,520 talking about were already 1480 00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,160 sort of vastly debunked as being nothing 1481 00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:38,880 special this was arts parts and we have 1482 00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,680 science well you know 1483 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,599 there's nothing there's nothing to 1484 00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,160 indicate that they were alien in origin 1485 00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,720 though well they may be alien i'm saying 1486 00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,640 the aliens are dropping them as a ports 1487 00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,480 which i'm giving a lecture in a couple 1488 00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,480 weeks in in boulder colorado on this on 1489 00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,960 the ports it's kind of a new a new very 1490 00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,520 complex story that i think that that 1491 00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,960 but if you can prove that it's 1492 00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,880 extraterrestrial if you improve it's 1493 00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,000 different 1494 00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,839 it really doesn't solve anything even if 1495 00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:07,119 you can prove that it wasn't made by 1496 00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,319 black ops it's always going to be the 1497 00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,480 argument that black that some agency of 1498 00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:12,160 the black ops has developed this sort of 1499 00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,440 thing so i don't think you're ever going 1500 00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,599 to be able to prove that it's actually 1501 00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,880 um 1502 00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,319 off planet but even if you prove it's 1503 00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,920 off planet that doesn't prove anything 1504 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,599 it's like a ufo photograph you see the 1505 00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,440 the nimitz thing the videos you're going 1506 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,359 like no that's not our stuff i mean so 1507 00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,160 what you proved it's off planet i had a 1508 00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:30,960 sighting in 1975 i knew this in 1975 we 1509 00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,440 are wasting our time proving ufos exist 1510 00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,359 we keep proving ufos exist we keep 1511 00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,720 trying to convince our friends and 1512 00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,640 relatives and you got to get beyond the 1513 00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,079 thing yes there's something going on 1514 00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,839 here now why are they here and what are 1515 00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,680 they doing and nobody's doing that we're 1516 00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,880 still into this thing well if we get 1517 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,480 this piece of metal and we can prove and 1518 00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,680 then everything's going to change and 1519 00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,319 it's no even if you can prove like like 1520 00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,599 jacques valencia we've been working on 1521 00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,440 this for years and if you can even prove 1522 00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,880 like with the isotopes where you have 1523 00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,079 this these 1524 00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,920 two isotopes are missing three are at 1525 00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,680 the wrong proportions and stuff that 1526 00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,760 there's no metal that has that kind of 1527 00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,520 isotope thing even if you can prove that 1528 00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,920 it really doesn't prove anything so but 1529 00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,520 what happens with the with this whole 1530 00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,839 thing is you see in the latest thing and 1531 00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,160 these are the two top guys and and 1532 00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,400 sarfati and eric davis having this 1533 00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,079 argument on the internet 1534 00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,720 and uh sarfati has the phone call when 1535 00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,640 he's 12 years old from the computer on 1536 00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:22,720 board the ship and and there's 400 guys 1537 00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,200 they're going to give him the 1538 00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,800 information and he's had this whole 1539 00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,319 lifetime thing that that he's been 1540 00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,240 called by the computer on the flying 1541 00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,800 saucer to do this mathematics so him and 1542 00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,480 eric davis and it used to be help put 1543 00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,839 off we're always fighting about who's 1544 00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,119 got this zero point energy who 1545 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:37,200 understands best about how this zero 1546 00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,480 point energy thing works and they've 1547 00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:39,920 been arguing they've been fighting for 1548 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,400 years so they have this argument just in 1549 00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,920 the last couple of months 1550 00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,599 where eric davis comes to him and he 1551 00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,920 says look you've been putting dots 1552 00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,680 together that don't exist you're just 1553 00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,520 totally destroying physics you're 1554 00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,400 totally off base uh this uh piece that 1555 00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,400 linda howe had came from a lab it didn't 1556 00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,440 it's not extraterrestrial and and says 1557 00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,800 you're totally wasting your time go back 1558 00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,440 to consciousness uh physics 1559 00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,119 and so 1560 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,119 me and uh dolan are having a discussion 1561 00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,200 dolan's saying well i think jack i think 1562 00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,119 sarfati is right and i said it really 1563 00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,280 doesn't matter who's right the fact that 1564 00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:15,920 these two top physicists 1565 00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,119 are arguing about floating a like a a 1566 00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,599 two ounce piece of metal off the table 1567 00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,280 that they're arguing about how to float 1568 00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,680 a piece of metal off the table indicates 1569 00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,920 they ain't got deadly squat if the two 1570 00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,520 top guys are arguing about how to do 1571 00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,599 this the same as i had the thing with 1572 00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,119 with um 1573 00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,599 i followed very closely uh joe firmage 1574 00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,880 and a lot of people give me a hassle i 1575 00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,400 watch him very closely because he's got 1576 00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,000 a lot of contacts he's got a lot of 1577 00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,319 money he's in there and he's trying to 1578 00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,920 levitate this thing off the table and 1579 00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,760 he's got this this dan marriott from the 1580 00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,599 marriott chain who's saying i'm not 1581 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:49,200 going to put on all this money until you 1582 00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,800 can levit you can get this thing off the 1583 00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:51,760 ground 1584 00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,079 number of seconds and i'm going well i 1585 00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,920 mean if we're flying crafts to other 1586 00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,400 star systems and we've got bases on mars 1587 00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,079 and and the moon 1588 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,800 why is joe firmage who had hundreds of 1589 00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,319 millions of dollars why is he wasting 1590 00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,480 time he's trying to levitate or why is 1591 00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:10,319 eric davis and 1592 00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,440 sarfati arguing about levitating a small 1593 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,960 piece of metal 1594 00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,720 if we've got all this stuff it indicates 1595 00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,480 we don't have anything yeah and that's 1596 00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,079 what exactly what eric davis says he 1597 00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,119 says we shut the program down in 1989 1598 00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,880 that's when the lazar thing happened we 1599 00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,680 shut it down in 1989 because we could 1600 00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,839 not back engineer robert collins who was 1601 00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:32,079 known as the condor he was the air force 1602 00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,680 guy the physicist at wright patterson 1603 00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,040 who was the guy that really set up the 1604 00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,119 avery he said there's one at crete air 1605 00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:39,119 force base that's totally intact and you 1606 00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,720 you start to hear the story there's one 1607 00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,119 that's totally intact they can't turn it 1608 00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,960 on and that's because it's got this 1609 00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,559 consciousness technology that's where 1610 00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:49,200 you got to get past this nonsense about 1611 00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:51,280 are there ufos are they coming from 1612 00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:52,640 somewhere else i don't know where 1613 00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,440 they're coming from but there's 1614 00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,359 something going on here and the 1615 00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,200 technology is consciousness-based 1616 00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,160 because i've got 50 people and 14 of all 1617 00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,599 experiencers say they've flown the craft 1618 00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,520 and you do it with your mind and so it's 1619 00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:05,119 like my cell phone you can't turn my 1620 00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:06,240 cell phone on you can be the smartest 1621 00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,599 guy in the world you can't turn it on 1622 00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,960 because you need my fingerprint to turn 1623 00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,559 it on the same as if it's a 1624 00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,559 consciousness technology you need the 1625 00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:15,119 consciousness of the person to turn on 1626 00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,480 the craft you can have the craft you can 1627 00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:18,000 do whatever you want but you have to be 1628 00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,200 able to turn the craft on they can't 1629 00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,920 even turn it on and even 1630 00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,760 george knapp makes these indications he 1631 00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,839 makes these hints and i think even eric 1632 00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,599 now has confirmed this that every seven 1633 00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,960 or eight years they take it off the 1634 00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,119 shelf and they try to look at it and put 1635 00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,960 it back on the shelf again because it's 1636 00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,599 so far removed from everything we've got 1637 00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,920 we have no idea what this technology is 1638 00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,520 we're just watching it yes we we've got 1639 00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,240 videos yes we've got um all this kind of 1640 00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,680 stuff and the one story i got from 1641 00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,920 stanton's which will show you how how 1642 00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,760 dramatic this stuff is 1643 00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,440 this is a story that i knew that existed 1644 00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:51,200 before this is the story about the cuban 1645 00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,119 the cuban uh scramble 1967 stanton 1646 00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,280 worked on it 1970s he got this story 1647 00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,680 from a guy and i i know who the guy is 1648 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:01,599 because i found it in stanton's files 1649 00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,640 and he gets the report so it's it's a 1650 00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,440 naval air station in florida is 1651 00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:09,920 monitoring communications from cuba they 1652 00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,799 got this ufo coming in 1967 and they're 1653 00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,000 listening to the communications and 1654 00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,880 there's they scramble two mig-21 jets to 1655 00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,720 go after this ufo and it comes in it 1656 00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,200 comes into cuban airspace they they call 1657 00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,280 out to it they they demand that it 1658 00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,520 identify itself it doesn't keeps going 1659 00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,000 they it won't identify itself and then 1660 00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,640 it's the order is given to shoot it down 1661 00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,000 so they're picking up this communication 1662 00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,160 so they got the front guy the back guy 1663 00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,559 the front guy arms his missiles 1664 00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,799 and locks on to the ufo 1665 00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,280 and then the the the naval station picks 1666 00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,359 up the communication in the back of the 1667 00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,000 guy in the second plane starts screaming 1668 00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,240 it's gone it just disintegrated the 1669 00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,640 whole plane just disintegrated into into 1670 00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,960 nothing and as soon as it had locked on 1671 00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,720 his radius ready to fire the thing just 1672 00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,119 disintegrated this is picked up by 1673 00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,079 by the the nsa so stan 1674 00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,240 sends it to bob pratt who back in the 1675 00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,240 70s was the top guy he was from the 1676 00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,400 national choir he had unlimited amounts 1677 00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,240 of money he was a really really sharp 1678 00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,960 guy so they give it to bob pratt to file 1679 00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,760 so he files with the nsa for the tape 1680 00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,920 for the the transmission of this thing 1681 00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,000 that was picked up the nsa comes back 1682 00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:20,240 and it's in stance files and it says you 1683 00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,200 know 1684 00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:23,599 national security we can't say about 1685 00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,040 anything whatever they don't deny it 1686 00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,960 they just say no we can't give anything 1687 00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,960 and then um goes back to stanton 1688 00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,280 friedman then stanton friedman goes to a 1689 00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,960 guy by the name of todd zeckel now todd 1690 00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,200 zeckel ran cause he was the guy that 1691 00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:37,119 sued the cia and got the cia to release 1692 00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,400 the documents during the carter 1693 00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,240 administration almost all the ufo 1694 00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,079 documents foi stuff came under the 1695 00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:43,520 carter administration because carter was 1696 00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:46,880 backing this stuff so cause sues the cia 1697 00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,520 so todd zeckel is is a no-nonsense guy 1698 00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,440 he's going to play hardball so they give 1699 00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,599 it to todd zeckel so todd zeckel 1700 00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:56,079 contacts the nsa and he says you either 1701 00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,200 give me this stuff or i'm going to phone 1702 00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,200 the cuban embassy and that same 1703 00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,960 afternoon two fbi guys show up at his 1704 00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,119 door and scare the daylights out of him 1705 00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,119 and so he he's sort of 1706 00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,720 that's where it sort of stalls there 1707 00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,040 where uh they they everybody sort of 1708 00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,599 runs for cover and you see in stan's 1709 00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,880 correspondence he's talking to the guy 1710 00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,720 and he's saying they can't get your name 1711 00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,480 uh you know i'm protecting your name and 1712 00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,240 stuff like this but this you see this 1713 00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:20,160 kind of stuff where if that's true if 1714 00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,599 that story is true 1715 00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,040 that you know we we're getting these 1716 00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,720 stories we're shooting them down 1717 00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,799 as far as i'm concerned and i'm 100 i'm 1718 00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,640 almost 100 sure because i've looked at 1719 00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,480 so many people of this high level in 1720 00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,880 fact pandolfie is telling people that 1721 00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,119 i'm interacting with him saying i 1722 00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,440 absolutely assure you we do not have 1723 00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,200 anti-gravity now maybe he's playing 1724 00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:40,960 games but you see the same thing kit 1725 00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:43,280 green kit green says 1726 00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:47,200 he if there's a 12 years ago he said 1727 00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,640 there we 1728 00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,200 uncle he's referring to uncle sam uncle 1729 00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,200 and the intelligence community are 1730 00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,520 clueless and he said it numerous times 1731 00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,200 we don't have anything we have no idea 1732 00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,880 what's going on there was the core story 1733 00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,400 if you've heard the story about the core 1734 00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,520 story that bill moore had this is 1987. 1735 00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,880 jacques valet 1736 00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,880 hell put off and kid green now these are 1737 00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,640 guys hell put off and kit green probably 1738 00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:10,880 have the longest held maybe the longest 1739 00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,359 held top secret sti clearances in the 1740 00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,040 united states of america these are not 1741 00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,200 low-level guys these guys are guys who 1742 00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,040 are know what's going on they meet at a 1743 00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:22,000 denny's restaurant in 1987 and they come 1744 00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,520 up with what's called the core story and 1745 00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,760 you'll hear if you watch the 1746 00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,720 the kit green pandolphy all these emails 1747 00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,000 stuff going around you they keep 1748 00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,760 referring to the core story what the 1749 00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,680 core story is these three guys sit in a 1750 00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,440 denny's restaurant they say 1751 00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,839 so what do we know for sure what can we 1752 00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:39,200 we've heard lots of stories what's the 1753 00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:40,720 rumors we have these high-level 1754 00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,760 intelligence 1755 00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,680 connections we know what's going on what 1756 00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,280 do we know for sure what they know for 1757 00:58:50,589 --> 00:58:48,319 sure is ufos are we are being interacted 1758 00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,599 by some sort of whatever it is 1759 00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,160 extraterrestrials 1760 00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:53,359 space 1761 00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,240 spirit interdimensional whatever it is 1762 00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,839 something's interacting with us there 1763 00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,720 has been crash material recovered 1764 00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,520 and we are not we have gotten nowhere 1765 00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,359 with it that's the same story that's 1766 00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:07,680 this in this big debate between eric 1767 00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,720 davis and sarfati this proves the case 1768 00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,880 we've got the material we've got bodies 1769 00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,559 we've got crafts 1770 00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:16,559 but we have no idea 1771 00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,319 how to back engineer anything we've got 1772 00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,559 nothing and that's what the cover-up is 1773 00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:22,319 if these two physicists are arguing 1774 00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,839 about it there's nobody going to 1775 00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,280 convince me that somebody else has it 1776 00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,359 because eric davis has an intelligence 1777 00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,960 background he worked for us air force 1778 00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,280 intelligence when he was working as 1779 00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,359 taking his degree he's got all sorts of 1780 00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:35,599 security clearance hal put off has very 1781 00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,240 high security clearances so does uh kit 1782 00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:39,839 green kit green has been with the ci 1783 00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,359 since 1969 or 1970 these are not 1784 00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,960 low-level guys and if they're saying we 1785 00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,720 don't have anything then that would tend 1786 00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,720 to indicate that a lot of the stuff is 1787 00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,640 being put out and that's where kit green 1788 00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,559 says there's some intelligence people 1789 00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:54,640 playing bad games and that's this thing 1790 00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,040 where we we want to instead of coming in 1791 01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:59,119 and kill you what do we do is just throw 1792 01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,559 mud in the water we just throw these 1793 01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,480 weird stories like almost like the bob 1794 01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,799 emeneger thing so bob mcmahon tells me 1795 01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,559 and bob had the thing he had six o'clock 1796 01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,559 in the morning four cameras he had every 1797 01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,240 detail about the holloman air force base 1798 01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:12,079 how it was filmed where it was filmed 1799 01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,680 all this kind of stuff he was on the 1800 01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,440 base he was allowed to wander around the 1801 01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:17,920 base looking hangers and stuff like that 1802 01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,480 he said was may 1971 when that hull of 1803 01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:22,000 air for space thing was filmed so as 1804 01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,680 soon as that comes out then richard doty 1805 01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,359 pulls in linda howe and says no it 1806 01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,040 wasn't it was 1807 01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:30,000 uh april of 1964 and the in the aliens 1808 01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,839 landed in the wrong spot so now it's 1809 01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:33,359 like they want me and linda start 1810 01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,319 fighting oh is it 64 or 71 and and it 1811 01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,400 just puts a big question mark on the 1812 01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,760 whole thing so that's what they do if 1813 01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,520 you've got a good story all they do is 1814 01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,359 send you steve to send you a second 1815 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:45,200 contact who tells you exactly the 1816 01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,240 opposite thing that's what happened to 1817 01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,920 stephen greer stephen girl had some 1818 01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:50,000 legitimate sources but what they do 1819 01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,440 instead of 1820 01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:53,520 you know killing the guys they just send 1821 01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,040 in people who tell stephen gur a bunch 1822 01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,880 of garbage and then 1823 01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,119 somebody gets exposed as telling a fib 1824 01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,480 and then steven gerry goes down with the 1825 01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,920 whole mess and that's what they do they 1826 01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,079 just put in good witnesses bad witnesses 1827 01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:05,920 so you don't know which is the which is 1828 01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:07,760 the real stuff and which is the which is 1829 01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:10,000 the phony stuff 1830 01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,520 well grant now is a good time for us to 1831 01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,760 take a break for station identification 1832 01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,640 and a few words from our sponsors 1833 01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:18,960 thanks for joining us folks we'll be 1834 01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:22,839 right back with more grant 1835 01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,000 cameron you know i i often thought that 1836 01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:28,160 a lot of the uh a lot of the motive for 1837 01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:31,599 a lot of ufo products is just money 1838 01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,160 making you know so it's just it's a good 1839 01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,119 story but i'm more interested in where's 1840 01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,359 the meat on the bones and 1841 01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,040 it just seems a lot 1842 01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:42,480 you're right it's like they're trying to 1843 01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,599 muddy the waters with garbage to kind of 1844 01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,920 throw people off of the real trail is 1845 01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,280 that what and the money aspect is 1846 01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,720 important that's what penndolphy keeps 1847 01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:52,880 saying the minute this thing the new 1848 01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,319 york times came out i of course um 1849 01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,400 i immediately contacted dan smith within 1850 01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,240 minutes i said okay so what's ron got to 1851 01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,319 say now and he said 1852 01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,000 it's a techno scam it was done in front 1853 01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:06,240 of a um what do they call these things 1854 01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,440 these um 1855 01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,880 really trained pilots and stuff it was 1856 01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,880 done and they added the audio and stuff 1857 01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:12,240 and he called it a techno scam and i 1858 01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:13,599 thought ah ron's just playing games 1859 01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,520 again but he has said that repeatedly 1860 01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,280 i've got i don't know how many emails he 1861 01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,960 sent to various people and he said like 1862 01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:20,160 when are you gonna what are you gonna 1863 01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,839 catch on there's a techno scam and um he 1864 01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,599 he actually identified 1865 01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,160 and i've heard these stories that 1866 01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,839 joe firmage is always given the the bad 1867 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,520 thing oh you're firm just ripping people 1868 01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,119 off for money 1869 01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:34,799 you know and he's taking people's money 1870 01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,599 that's how it works so you you go and if 1871 01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,039 you've got the you figure you've got 1872 01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:41,280 anti-gravity you've got a cure to cancer 1873 01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:42,799 you've got to go get some money and if 1874 01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:43,599 you're not going to get it from the 1875 01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:44,559 government the government's got all the 1876 01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,680 research money if the government's not 1877 01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,880 going to give you research money then 1878 01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,480 you got to go to the big money guy so 1879 01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,799 they were going after uh the guy with 1880 01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,280 church church chicken or something in 1881 01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,200 the united states was a big billionaire 1882 01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:57,520 guy they went after of course they went 1883 01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,720 after firmage because he had a lot of 1884 01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,200 money and they went after a guy in 1885 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,520 canada by the name of charles bombardier 1886 01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,000 who uh they went after him and now dan 1887 01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,680 marriott is involved you got these big 1888 01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:08,880 money guys because that's what you need 1889 01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,720 if you want to 1890 01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,240 say if you're joe firmage and you want 1891 01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,839 to develop this technology that you 1892 01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,520 think you've got from an alien and and 1893 01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,960 you're on the very verge you need 1894 01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:18,559 billions of dollars to to produce this 1895 01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,520 thing and ron's iran used to say uh 1896 01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:23,760 these these rich guys they would rather 1897 01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,839 get involved in one of these stupid get 1898 01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:27,760 rich quick schemes and pay their damn 1899 01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,799 taxes and that's true so so now it's now 1900 01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,400 you have yeah absolutely that's what the 1901 01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:34,720 whole tom delong thing is and that's 1902 01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,599 what 1903 01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,280 if you interview melinda leslie that's 1904 01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:39,200 what that um 1905 01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,079 she has jim semivan she said uh anything 1906 01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,880 that i you you don't want on the record 1907 01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,000 tell me what you don't want on the 1908 01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:48,720 record and uh he said that's fine that's 1909 01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:49,760 good so they made this agreement 1910 01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:52,480 whatever and she said uh what what what 1911 01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,839 what could i 1912 01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,039 um 1913 01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,520 what could i what would i have to do 1914 01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,119 to have you stop talking to me and he 1915 01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:01,039 said don't mess with the money and she 1916 01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,480 said he said it four times don't mess 1917 01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:04,240 with the money so what you have it's the 1918 01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:06,000 same thing we've got to cure cancer 1919 01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:07,520 we're gonna we're gonna float this piece 1920 01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,799 of metal we're gonna build a flying 1921 01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,480 saucer we're gonna go to the stars we're 1922 01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,240 gonna have free energy all this kind of 1923 01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,480 stuff so you need money so these big 1924 01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,880 money guys you run out of big money guys 1925 01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:19,039 so what you do is you go after fort knox 1926 01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,640 and so that's what the whole tom the 1927 01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,559 long thing my impression is they're 1928 01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:24,240 going after the money so what you need 1929 01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:25,920 is you don't want disclosure for you and 1930 01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,000 me what you need is you need the 1931 01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,760 disclosure that's why you dropped the 1932 01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,200 nimitz thing that's why you drop at the 1933 01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:32,799 new york times you're not trying to 1934 01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,760 convince 1935 01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,599 me the ufo and they admitted this right 1936 01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,960 from the word go i said it was they 1937 01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:38,400 couldn't care less with ufo community 1938 01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,680 because we're just we're going to argue 1939 01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:41,039 with them like you go to tom delong you 1940 01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,799 ask him serious questions and he gets 1941 01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,480 upset we're just going to talk about 1942 01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,079 asking all these serious questions so 1943 01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,920 they don't want to deal with us 1944 01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,599 they and i thought at first they wanted 1945 01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,880 to deal with the public now part of it 1946 01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:52,960 is the public but it's not they want to 1947 01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,680 convince the congress that ufos are real 1948 01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,440 because if you go into congress if you 1949 01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:59,440 remember back in the obama days 1950 01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,880 what was happening then it wasn't tom 1951 01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,400 delong then it was leslie kane was the 1952 01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:04,720 big show in town and leslie kane was 1953 01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,160 working with john podesta who was the 1954 01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:08,880 campaign manager he was the top 1955 01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:12,079 legal adviser to obama very powerful guy 1956 01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,760 so she was working with him he helped 1957 01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:16,000 her with the foia on the kecksberg crash 1958 01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,599 so she's working but what they were 1959 01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,920 doing the big threat they had was oh 1960 01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,520 it's a threat and if you read her book 1961 01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:23,119 it's a threat to commercial airline 1962 01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:24,799 traffic so then they go to congress and 1963 01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,960 congress goes get out of here like don't 1964 01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,559 let the door hit you on the way out like 1965 01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,720 come on get out of here crazy stuff so 1966 01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:32,559 nobody believed that so what you have to 1967 01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,200 do is you gotta convince congress that 1968 01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,799 is real they're not going to give you 1969 01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,799 any money unless they actually believe 1970 01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,799 that there are real ufos so that's why 1971 01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,640 you leak the nimitz that's why you leak 1972 01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,520 this this material and and melinda 1973 01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,000 leslie asked jim semivan is this green 1974 01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:49,920 lighted by the pentagon and he said yes 1975 01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,960 of course it's greenlighted by the 1976 01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,480 pentagon so the pentagon leaks this 1977 01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,319 material out and what it is is to 1978 01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,799 convince congress yes it's for real then 1979 01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,079 you go into congress and you do these 1980 01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,839 briefings and they're dealing with the 1981 01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,359 intelligence and the armed services 1982 01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,880 committee you're not going to deal with 1983 01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:04,480 nasa why would they deal with nasa if 1984 01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,400 it's outer space nasa's budget is 1985 01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:08,000 actually cut they don't care about going 1986 01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:09,680 to outer space they're what they want 1987 01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,359 the weapon thing so you go into the 1988 01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:13,119 armed services and to the intelligence 1989 01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,160 community 1990 01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,960 committees and you say ufos exist look 1991 01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,400 we got these videos you bring in the 1992 01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,480 navy guys to do the briefings and they 1993 01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:22,720 realize yeah there is this thing and 1994 01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,760 then you do the old spin 190 degree spin 1995 01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,400 oh we got evil russians evil chinese 1996 01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,640 evil arabs evil mexicans and now we got 1997 01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:32,799 these evil aliens and we need some money 1998 01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:34,000 and they're going to get the money 1999 01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,839 that's the whole deal you have to 2000 01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,599 present a threat so they're saying this 2001 01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,440 is a threat uh you know they may not 2002 01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:42,160 have souls as tom delong says uh some 2003 01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,680 people say they're here to eat us and 2004 01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:44,880 you 2005 01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:50,000 threat so instead of doing the airline 2006 01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:51,039 traffic thing that nobody's going to 2007 01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,720 believe you say well you know look 2008 01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,319 they're shutting down nuclear missiles 2009 01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,640 silos which i say we should nominate 2010 01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:58,319 them for the nobel prize forget about 2011 01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:59,119 you know 2012 01:07:01,589 --> 01:07:00,559 right i mean yeah if they can shut down 2013 01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,599 all the nuclear missiles in the world 2014 01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:03,839 they get the nobel prize for eternity 2015 01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,480 from now until eternity and and so that 2016 01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,160 you present these threats and you scare 2017 01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,680 the living daylights out of the out of 2018 01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,480 the um out of congress and you get the 2019 01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,680 money and you walk out and everybody 2020 01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:15,039 walks out with a suitcase full of money 2021 01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,079 and that's what it's all about it's 2022 01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:19,200 about money it's about your uh industry 2023 01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,280 and it's that's where i always refer 2024 01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,359 people back people always refer to the 2025 01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:26,160 the eisenhower last speech of eisenhower 2026 01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,680 and where he said be beware the military 2027 01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,680 industrial complex if you actually go to 2028 01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,960 the eisenhower library and you actually 2029 01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,480 read the oral histories of people who 2030 01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,240 were asked about it for example milton 2031 01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:36,000 eisenhower was the president's brother 2032 01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,280 and because they were all asked what do 2033 01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,280 you think that's speech man and they all 2034 01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,280 said the same thing it was not beware 2035 01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,359 the military-industrial complex it was 2036 01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:45,760 beware the military-industrial 2037 01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:48,720 congressional complex and that is that 2038 01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:51,440 once you get a circle where you've got 2039 01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,960 everybody with their hand in the pot and 2040 01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,400 you've got you've got a congressman in 2041 01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:56,559 there who's backing it and who's got 2042 01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:59,200 jobs in his district that rely on the 2043 01:08:02,069 --> 01:08:00,079 money 2044 01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,079 it's a complete circle and the the prime 2045 01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,079 example that that can be shown for this 2046 01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,720 is the abrams tank in the first gulf war 2047 01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,799 there the a-10s were shooting these just 2048 01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:10,480 you know the missile didn't even know i 2049 01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,680 mean the tank didn't even know the 2050 01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:13,200 missile was coming and he's just like 2051 01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:14,319 poof they're gone and there's like a 2052 01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:15,520 target practice 2053 01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,400 and the 2054 01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,319 the u.s army realized we don't need 2055 01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,960 tanks they're a total waste of money you 2056 01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:22,000 drive these things around you can just 2057 01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,759 pick them off like target practice and 2058 01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,199 so they said we don't want any more 2059 01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,839 abrams tanks and they could not stop the 2060 01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,279 the government from building the tanks 2061 01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,600 because you now you've got a congressman 2062 01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,359 in the middle who says i've got 10 000 2063 01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,960 jobs in my district and i'll be damned 2064 01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,920 if you're going to shut down that 2065 01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:37,920 factory and that's the that's what 2066 01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,759 eisenhower's warning once everybody's 2067 01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:41,279 got their hand in the pot and you've got 2068 01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,839 a 730 billion dollar defense budget you 2069 01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,600 cannot shut it down so they want to get 2070 01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:47,359 into that cycle where you've got all the 2071 01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:49,279 congressmen invested you've got all the 2072 01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,920 military industrial people invested 2073 01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:53,199 you've got the government invested and 2074 01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,480 you can't shut it down the money just 2075 01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,319 starts to flow and they get the money 2076 01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,839 for the research or whatever they're 2077 01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,199 doing hopefully they're not getting it 2078 01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,199 for weapons uh because 2079 01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:03,679 i like about these uh oh these black 2080 01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,319 budget projects like the the and the 2081 01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,799 usaps you know it's like 2082 01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:11,199 when you look at the money that they go 2083 01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,080 through 2084 01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,480 and we don't ever see anything i mean 2085 01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:16,159 well i guess 2086 01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,359 when's the last time that we saw 2087 01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,279 something out of the black budget the 2088 01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,440 stealth bomber that that was quite a 2089 01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,600 long time ago and they're sucking up all 2090 01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,839 this money every year 2091 01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:27,679 michael schratt does some great work on 2092 01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,159 exposing some of that financial 2093 01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,159 you know where does all that money go 2094 01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,960 it's it's a black budget or a black hole 2095 01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,199 because it just disappears it vanishes 2096 01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,359 and we never see anything for it 2097 01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,719 yeah and and that's that's what it's 2098 01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:42,080 about it's always about money i mean 2099 01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,600 it's whatever you're 2100 01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,520 and it's it's not necessarily like a 2101 01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,960 real bad thing i mean it's like if you 2102 01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,880 got a cure cancer you got to go raise 2103 01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,319 the money i mean you've got to find 2104 01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,000 somebody who's going to finance it you 2105 01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,719 may believe in it and in order to 2106 01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,239 do the technology thing you're going to 2107 01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,239 need a lot of money to to move this 2108 01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,480 thing and i just say the technology and 2109 01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:02,400 this cuban thing should just shows it if 2110 01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,679 they think that they're going to back 2111 01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:06,000 engineer this thing i say no way i'm 2112 01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:06,800 saying 2113 01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,560 they think that people think they know i 2114 01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:12,320 say it's going to be way less physical 2115 01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,360 and people think it's going to be way 2116 01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:15,199 more spiritual people think it's going 2117 01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,880 to be like the jacques valet thing it's 2118 01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,239 going to be like ferries it's going to 2119 01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,960 be it's just going to be like 2120 01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,719 zippo technology you're getting out of 2121 01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,920 this in fact if you go down the 2122 01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,320 technology route you you are going the 2123 01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,560 wrong direction because it is 2124 01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:31,040 i wanted to pivot to that because that 2125 01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:32,000 was one of the other things that 2126 01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,000 fascinated me about you and following a 2127 01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,840 lot of your work and reading your books 2128 01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,040 is that you 2129 01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,679 were once a very nuts and bolts and give 2130 01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,760 me the science and the data and the 2131 01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,360 documents guy 2132 01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,239 and then and and everyone always 2133 01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,640 applauded your work and this guy really 2134 01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,239 knows what he's talking about and then 2135 01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:52,000 you sort of pivot it 2136 01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,679 and you're thinking about this whole 2137 01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:56,080 phenomenon into consciousness which was 2138 01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:58,880 fascinating to me because i'm the same 2139 01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,600 i'm the science and data guy still in 2140 01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,679 the nuts and bolts guy and and you got 2141 01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:05,840 me looking more into that can you tell 2142 01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:08,640 us why you sort of made that realization 2143 01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,840 that it was somewhat 2144 01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,400 consciousness-based 2145 01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,800 okay well what it what it came down to 2146 01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,480 was uh 2147 01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:18,239 what's called a noetic experience until 2148 01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,360 about a month and a half ago i didn't 2149 01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,360 even know what noetic meant so you have 2150 01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,960 you have i've always talked about left 2151 01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,880 brain right brain so your left brain is 2152 01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,120 your rational analytical mind you know 2153 01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,679 two plus two equals four you know 2154 01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:32,080 five times five times twenty is five 2155 01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,679 times zero and you know and then five 2156 01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:35,679 times two is you know one hundred and 2157 01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:37,040 all this kind of stuff for you you're 2158 01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,800 like reading music like you're doing 2159 01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,880 this rational analytical thing so 2160 01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:43,199 there's that type of thinking but then 2161 01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:45,040 there's the right brain thinking which i 2162 01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,159 wrote a book called tuned in the 2163 01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,159 paranormal world of music where i go 2164 01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,920 through the fact that you know the vast 2165 01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,440 majority of the major musicians couldn't 2166 01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,520 read or write music and that they sit 2167 01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,880 there and wait for something to pop in 2168 01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,320 their head they do there's nothing 2169 01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,080 rational analytical about this at all 2170 01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,159 that a lot of the inventions the 2171 01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,440 theory of relativity the quantum atom uh 2172 01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,080 the periodic table um all this kind of 2173 01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,800 stuff came in dreams major books the 2174 01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,400 harry potter 2175 01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,560 the holographic universe all these books 2176 01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,920 were sort of like download books where 2177 01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,760 they just sort of came so these are 2178 01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:17,840 called noetic experiences where 2179 01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,199 the the the thing is it comes to you 2180 01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:23,679 is sort of in a moment of enlightenment 2181 01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,520 and unless you've had one you really 2182 01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:28,000 can't um express it because it comes 2183 01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,520 with absolute certainty and this is the 2184 01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,960 part that i when i try to explain this 2185 01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:32,000 to people 2186 01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:33,440 it's very hard to explain unless you 2187 01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,800 actually know like people say it's more 2188 01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,640 real than the real world this is the 2189 01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,480 dream this is the real thing and that's 2190 01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,840 what happened to me is i'm watching a 2191 01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:40,800 lecture 2192 01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,360 uh colin anders is giving in 2012 in 2193 01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:44,800 phoenix arizona and he's talking about 2194 01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:47,520 consciousness and crop circles i have no 2195 01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,800 interest in being in the room i'm not 2196 01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,719 interested in crop circles at all and 2197 01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,480 yet i realize he's this prominent thing 2198 01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:53,920 and there was this big controversy that 2199 01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:56,960 he had said 20 of all uh crop circles 2200 01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,360 are uh created by the aliens the other 2201 01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,040 80 are hoaxed and there's a big 2202 01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,800 controversy i go wow this is a big guy 2203 01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:04,640 i'll go this lecture i want to see how 2204 01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,080 he's going to handle this because he was 2205 01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:08,159 in he was in the doghouse at the time so 2206 01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,920 i went into the lecture and it and then 2207 01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,400 how these these uh things happen i i'm 2208 01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,080 writing a book called contact models 2209 01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,239 which you know shortly and in these 2210 01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,320 contact modalities what it is is you 2211 01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,239 shut down part of the rational 2212 01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:22,320 analytical part of the brain so you 2213 01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:25,760 disassociate you uh you you shut down 2214 01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:26,560 the 2215 01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:33,199 what happened was i was sort of zoning 2216 01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,800 out so i didn't want to be in the room i 2217 01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,159 really wasn't paying attention to 2218 01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,480 lecture i'm just sort of daydreaming and 2219 01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,840 a lot of these things happen during 2220 01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:41,600 these daydream periods where you sh 2221 01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:43,360 where you you shut down this rational 2222 01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,800 idol part and it happened 2223 01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,000 instantaneously and it was boom boom 2224 01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,600 boom these three things came into my 2225 01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:50,000 head that that basically were things i 2226 01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:51,360 had researched my whole life it wasn't 2227 01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,600 that was anything new and and the three 2228 01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,280 things were number one was the top 2229 01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:56,880 secret memo from the canadian government 2230 01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,920 it's the only real top secret ufc 2231 01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,920 government document it's getting 2232 01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:03,360 government doesn't deny it exist this 2233 01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,719 comes in department transport it's in 2234 01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,400 their files all this kind of stuff and 2235 01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,400 in that wilbur smith just talking to the 2236 01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,560 americans talking to vanderbal bush who 2237 01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,239 was supposed to be running the program 2238 01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,719 and at this very high level and his top 2239 01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,080 secret document and he said we were told 2240 01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:18,320 by americans flying saucers exist it's 2241 01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,840 the most highly classified in the united 2242 01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,880 states 2243 01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,880 there's uh tremendous significance to 2244 01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:25,120 the americans uh the americans aren't 2245 01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:26,400 doing very well because they've said you 2246 01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,520 know if we're working on it they're 2247 01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,880 willing to 2248 01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,719 exchange credentials there's a small 2249 01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:31,840 group trying to figure out what's going 2250 01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:34,400 on and then what popped into my head in 2251 01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,679 that experience and it happened 2252 01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:38,080 instantaneously popped into my head was 2253 01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:39,280 the very next line which i'd never 2254 01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,640 talked about i talked about the document 2255 01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:42,320 numerous times about the fact that the 2256 01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:43,679 canadian's been told this is for real 2257 01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,960 and all this kind of stuff but the very 2258 01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,480 next line of the document says we were 2259 01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,400 also told by american officials they 2260 01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,480 remember this is november 1950 this is 2261 01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,640 before anybody ever talked about any of 2262 01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:54,880 this kind of stuff november 1950 before 2263 01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:57,040 there was even a contact adamski hadn't 2264 01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,159 even had a contact with him you know it 2265 01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:00,239 was aliens there was no alien contacts 2266 01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:04,000 in 1950 so he's he said we're also told 2267 01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,520 by american officials that other things 2268 01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:06,960 might be associated with the flying 2269 01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,280 saucers such as mental phenomena and 2270 01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,640 that popped into my head mental 2271 01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:12,239 phenomena and it was like well how they 2272 01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:13,840 know mental phenomena was involved and 2273 01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,120 the second thing that popped into my 2274 01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:17,600 head was the story jan hartson talking 2275 01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,320 to ben rich and when you do the lockheed 2276 01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,400 skunk works and tom delong you always 2277 01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:24,239 have the head of lockheed skunk work so 2278 01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,840 jan hartson has his experience at nine 2279 01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,600 years old with the ufo and he's 2280 01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:28,880 fascinated he becomes electrical 2281 01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,159 engineer he's trying to figure out 2282 01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,640 flying saucers fly he has ben rich in 2283 01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,560 the in the room ben ricks makes this 2284 01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:37,120 joke we now have the technology at home 2285 01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,320 which he'd put at the end of every 2286 01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,159 lecture he made this joke and john's 2287 01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,480 going what what and he goes and he's he 2288 01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:44,239 realizes this is my chance to ask the 2289 01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,760 guy who should know because the rumor 2290 01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,120 was that lockheed was doing the back 2291 01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,679 injury so ben is answers questions and 2292 01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,440 he's leaving the building and he says to 2293 01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,280 him he says i need to know ben how did 2294 01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:55,040 it get here i've worked on this my whole 2295 01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:56,400 life i need to know how does the 2296 01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,760 propulsion system work how do they get 2297 01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,520 here and he turns around he says let me 2298 01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:00,960 ask you a question what do you know 2299 01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,520 about esp and jan goes uh it means 2300 01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,880 everything in time space is connected 2301 01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,480 and he said that's how it works same 2302 01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:08,159 thing this mental phenomena thing and 2303 01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,440 the third thing that popped my head and 2304 01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:11,120 he's all popped in at the same time the 2305 01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,239 third thing 2306 01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,840 was we had chased this doctor eric 2307 01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,840 walker around for like eight years and 2308 01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:17,600 this guy had 14 under doctorate degrees 2309 01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,760 he co-developed a homing torpedo he had 2310 01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,600 done engineering studies for eisenhower 2311 01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,520 he was like a major guy he had a 2312 01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,960 president of penn state university for 2313 01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:26,159 15 years 2314 01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,960 and 2315 01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:28,960 he we're talking about the control group 2316 01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:32,000 mj-12 is it still just 12 people is it 2317 01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,239 more than is it all americans a guy from 2318 01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,760 great britain is interviewing he stops 2319 01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,600 just let me ask you a question 2320 01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:39,120 but nobody asked b 2321 01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:40,159 and then the guy in great britain 2322 01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,440 doesn't have an answer he says look 2323 01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,520 unless you understand about esp and how 2324 01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,360 it works you will not be taken in by the 2325 01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:47,199 control group very few people understand 2326 01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,000 how it works and it was at 2012 february 2327 01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,400 26th when suddenly i go 2328 01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,480 oh that's what walker was talking about 2329 01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,159 and it was came with absolute certainty 2330 01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:58,800 i knew this was the answer this was the 2331 01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:59,760 whole deal it had to do with 2332 01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,400 consciousness this is what because in 75 2333 01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,159 what happened i had my sightings and 2334 01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,760 then i tried to publish this book about 2335 01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:07,120 the sightings i interviewed all these 2336 01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,800 people in this small town and i thought 2337 01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:10,080 oh this is the biggest story of all 2338 01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,440 times i'm you know i saw a million 2339 01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:12,880 copies whatever and i couldn't get 2340 01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,000 anybody to publish it the local 2341 01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:16,000 publisher said mr cameron you may 2342 01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,280 believe in this kind of stuff count me 2343 01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,679 among the unbelievers i was floored i 2344 01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,360 said okay that's it no more sightings 2345 01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,800 sighting is a waste of time they're 2346 01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,239 interesting whatever this is not getting 2347 01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,840 us anywhere i'm going to try to find the 2348 01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:27,199 person who knows what's going on 2349 01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:28,320 somebody's got to know what's going on 2350 01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:29,440 that's why i chase the canadian 2351 01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,800 government that's why i chased eric 2352 01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:32,239 walker that's why i chased the president 2353 01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,600 united states that's why i chased ron 2354 01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:35,040 pandolfi because somebody's got to know 2355 01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,080 what's going on here and you're trying 2356 01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,719 to find the guy with the answer and 2357 01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:40,400 so when that thing came into my head it 2358 01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:43,040 was like oh that's the answer and since 2359 01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:44,400 then i really haven't 2360 01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,360 i i've never really been um 2361 01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,679 sort of wanting for what's going on i i 2362 01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:51,199 was like i know i know what's going on 2363 01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,560 this is what i've been waiting for since 2364 01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:55,440 1975. and i had another experience 2365 01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,679 that it was way more dramatic this 2366 01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:59,760 happened and i remember exactly where it 2367 01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:01,520 happened i remember 2368 01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,880 exactly on what street it happened i 2369 01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,400 remember what time of the year i can't 2370 01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,760 remember it was two or three years ago 2371 01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,239 i'm guessing three years ago 2372 01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:09,840 i'm walking down the street i just had 2373 01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,600 coffee at mcdonald's that's my routine i 2374 01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,719 go to mcdonald's first thing in the 2375 01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:14,560 morning and i'm walking downtown because 2376 01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,159 this is how i get these noetic 2377 01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,800 experiences i walk so i'll walk 10 miles 2378 01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:20,480 or whatever and it sort of puts your 2379 01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:21,679 brain to sleep you're just walking 2380 01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,120 walking walking walking and you're 2381 01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,719 thinking and then this is what happened 2382 01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:26,800 i'm walking it's very cold i've got 2383 01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:28,560 gloves on and all of a sudden boom it 2384 01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:29,920 starts coming i know what it feels like 2385 01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,440 it's like oh it's coming something's 2386 01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,960 coming get a piece of paper and i get 2387 01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,560 the pan out i take my glove off and i 2388 01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:36,400 start to write this stuff down and then 2389 01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,920 it comes for maybe 2390 01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,080 four or five minutes and i put the pen 2391 01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,400 and pen away put the paper away i start 2392 01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,480 walking and it starts to come again grab 2393 01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,159 the paper and i start and it was 24 2394 01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:48,480 things and it was much more complex than 2395 01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,960 the first time it was 2396 01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,199 a a noetic experience that came with 2397 01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,199 absolute certainty and all these things 2398 01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,199 have been more confirmed as i go go 2399 01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:59,040 along so it's a whole nuts and bolts 2400 01:19:01,510 --> 01:19:00,000 thing so 2401 01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,520 basically what this thing was saying to 2402 01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,719 me is 2403 01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,719 is the is the world made out of nuts and 2404 01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,760 bolts 2405 01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,880 if it is 2406 01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,480 that's one world 2407 01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,640 with different rules with all the rules 2408 01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:12,400 but if the world is made out of 2409 01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,320 consciousness which makes the nuts and 2410 01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,199 bolts if the basics is consciousness 2411 01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,280 that's a whole different world and the 2412 01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:21,840 rules all have to change so that was one 2413 01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,239 the other one was is it one life or is 2414 01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,239 it multiple lives if it's one life then 2415 01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:29,040 that's one world if it's multiple lives 2416 01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,560 if you live reincarnation that's a whole 2417 01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:32,719 different world all the rules change 2418 01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,360 is it is it a random world is it just a 2419 01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,360 random meaningless universe 2420 01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,520 or is it pattern is the universe 2421 01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:41,199 following pattern and learning and it's 2422 01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:42,480 these things there's 24 things one 2423 01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,640 afternoon is it this is this is this is 2424 01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:46,640 this and it came and i'm trying to write 2425 01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,920 these things down and luckily i wrote 2426 01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:49,199 them down 2427 01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:50,560 because i've never had time to really 2428 01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,600 sort of 2429 01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:53,679 do the book i've got the 24 things 2430 01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:56,000 luckily in a draft and just these 24 2431 01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:57,199 things and a couple little notes or 2432 01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,719 whatever and so that's what happened to 2433 01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,159 me i had these two noetic experiences 2434 01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,760 and the thing with the noetic experience 2435 01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,360 it's like remote viewing is a nordic 2436 01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:05,520 experience when it comes to you that's 2437 01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,280 not a rational analytical thing when you 2438 01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,679 pick off that there's a submarine inside 2439 01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:11,760 this hangar inside this building in 2440 01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,480 russia that didn't come russian it came 2441 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:16,480 from out in the field and what happens 2442 01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,280 is 2443 01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,880 if you take a look at experiences which 2444 01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,239 i say you've got to listen to the 2445 01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,639 experiences the people who you know you 2446 01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,719 know what actually uh based on your 2447 01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,600 advice or or your your saying i've heard 2448 01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,800 you say that you got to talk to 2449 01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,400 experiencers and i got to tell you that 2450 01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,360 before i really listened to you and i 2451 01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:35,199 mean deeply listened and tried to 2452 01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:36,239 understand 2453 01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:36,960 where 2454 01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:39,760 your your research was going i i took 2455 01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,320 that back onto the table for myself 2456 01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:43,840 before i said i don't want to talk to 2457 01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:45,280 experiencers they have a story they 2458 01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,880 don't really have any proof or evidence 2459 01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:48,560 or psy i don't i don't want to talk to 2460 01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,600 any of them 2461 01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,080 never do i want so so i started talking 2462 01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,159 to some of them and i have to say that i 2463 01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,400 think i'm getting a little more insight 2464 01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,560 into what may be happening 2465 01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,960 because of speaking directly to them 2466 01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,440 because like you i have found 2467 01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,520 that some of the stories 2468 01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,440 are similar some of the mechanics of how 2469 01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,520 they say things worked 2470 01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:11,920 yeah oh yeah these experiences are 2471 01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,719 similar eerily similar to the point 2472 01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,280 where i got this kind of weird 2473 01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,960 almost you know like when you get deja 2474 01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,120 vu but it's not necessarily good deja vu 2475 01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:23,040 you know like a chill up my spine that's 2476 01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:24,400 what you're getting when i was talking 2477 01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:25,760 to some of these people and hearing some 2478 01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,920 of the same stuff over and over again 2479 01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:29,520 yeah and that's what changes you when 2480 01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,560 you get that feeling up your spine 2481 01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,159 that's like the noetic thing it's like 2482 01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,239 this is for real it and and the free 2483 01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,480 survey which a lot of people ignore and 2484 01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:37,760 that's why i say like people say oh it's 2485 01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:39,280 just anecdotal and i say it's all 2486 01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:40,480 anecdotal that was one of the things 2487 01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,960 that came to me it's all anecdotal it's 2488 01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,719 it's like they're the you you think 2489 01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,239 you're you're you're explaining things 2490 01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,760 you're just describing you're just 2491 01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,199 watching things happen we really don't 2492 01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:51,199 have the answer to anything we're only 2493 01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,800 describing what's happening around us 2494 01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,639 and we think we know what's going on but 2495 01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,560 when you get these experiences when you 2496 01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,320 see the free survey and you see these 2497 01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:00,719 like 4 000 or 6 000 whatever the number 2498 01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,719 is they have official ones and then ones 2499 01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,320 that were added on later after the 2500 01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:05,920 numbers came out now the numbers are 2501 01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:09,199 sort of you can't really um 2502 01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:10,480 use them that much anymore because 2503 01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:11,679 everybody knows what the cues are for 2504 01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:13,920 example 14 of all experiencers say 2505 01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:15,199 they've been allowed to fly the ship and 2506 01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:16,960 i remember when i had the download 2507 01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:19,280 experience in 2012 but consciousness i 2508 01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:20,800 was lecturing my first consciousness 2509 01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:23,760 lecture was that you um the uh ufo 2510 01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:24,800 congress 2511 01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:26,480 and they weren't going along with it i 2512 01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,239 mean they're still sort of in the nuts 2513 01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,920 and bolts world and technology and tom 2514 01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,440 delonge and all this kind of stuff but i 2515 01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:33,199 gave the lecture and one of the people 2516 01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,880 from the runs mufon um in phoenix said 2517 01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,000 oh you're going to you just you're going 2518 01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,360 to talk to pam dupuis and i said 2519 01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:43,120 uh yeah i guess so i thought well i must 2520 01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,159 have agreed to talk to this woman i 2521 01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,679 don't remember agreeing but i say okay 2522 01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,520 whatever so it's pam depuis she's in her 2523 01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:49,120 70s comes to me this is the first time i 2524 01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,639 heard this i mean you remember i'm 37 2525 01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:53,040 years into my career and just pam dupuis 2526 01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,159 comes to the house where i'm staying on 2527 01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,600 monday says what does stacey tell you 2528 01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:57,199 about me i go i don't know they're 2529 01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,800 supposed to talk to you so that's good 2530 01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,719 comes walking in with her with her her 2531 01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:02,719 partner and they sit down and she starts 2532 01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:04,400 talking about i'm abducted and this and 2533 01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:06,080 that is like oh whatever i've heard all 2534 01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,360 these stories you know she's telling and 2535 01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,000 then she says and i was flying the ship 2536 01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,920 and i went yeah why what and i'm 2537 01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,960 thinking this is the first time i've 2538 01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:14,560 ever heard this in my life i'm going 2539 01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,760 you're flying i'm looking at this woman 2540 01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:17,199 she's in her 70s going 2541 01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,719 you flew the ship 2542 01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:20,159 like why would they let you fly the ship 2543 01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:22,080 like you flew the ship the flying saucer 2544 01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:23,440 and she see i flew the flying shots i've 2545 01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,120 flown three different models and then 2546 01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:27,520 i'm i'm stumped i i thought man i'm 2547 01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,800 ready to throw you out of the room and i 2548 01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,239 couldn't believe that she was saying and 2549 01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:32,000 i said so how do you fly a flying saucer 2550 01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:33,840 she says what do you do with your mind 2551 01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:35,199 and as soon as she said that i realized 2552 01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,400 why they had set me up to talk to this 2553 01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,120 woman and now i've got 50 people 2554 01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,679 and i know from the free survey that 14 2555 01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,880 of all experiencers say they're flowing 2556 01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,040 the ship i've got 747 united airline 2557 01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,600 pilots i've got retired u.s air force 2558 01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,440 colonels i've got everybody you can 2559 01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:51,679 think of and i can and they'll say i had 2560 01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:53,360 one just the other week i was in toronto 2561 01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,800 and the woman's tell tell me the story 2562 01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,920 she's talking about her and then she 2563 01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,440 says oh yeah i was flying the ship and i 2564 01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:00,080 go up stop stop stop i fly [\h__\h] and 2565 01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,520 she's oh you do it with your heart and 2566 01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,440 with your mind and and i go thank you 2567 01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,280 that's it's like they read off a cue 2568 01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:07,199 card you're taking in the ship there's 2569 01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,480 beings behind you you don't know whether 2570 01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,239 they're human or whether they're alien 2571 01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,520 you come into the ship and you're 2572 01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:13,120 standing there and and then you're 2573 01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,400 standing there you don't have to do and 2574 01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,560 then the being say the voice behind you 2575 01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:18,080 they know there's aliens or whether it's 2576 01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,440 humans and they say 2577 01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,159 so go ahead do it and this the retired 2578 01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,920 air force colonel says and they all say 2579 01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,960 the same thing it's like reading off a 2580 01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:26,480 cue card saying i don't know what to do 2581 01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,400 and they go you know what to do just do 2582 01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,719 it and this air force kernel tells me 2583 01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,719 goes and there's this panel he goes 2584 01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,480 at this panel he puts sand on the panel 2585 01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,800 so either people have a panel or they 2586 01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,719 have a ball like a like a beehive or 2587 01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:40,080 they put hand on bi there's two 2588 01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,840 different models and you put your hand 2589 01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:43,440 on there and you become one with the 2590 01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:44,560 craft 2591 01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,520 this is 2592 01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:47,040 one of the things i had is it separation 2593 01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,400 or is it oneness that was one of the 2594 01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,760 things that came in this download 2595 01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,679 experience so you become one with a 2596 01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,679 craft and whatever you think is what the 2597 01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:55,120 craft does this is this whole thing why 2598 01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,440 you cannot open you cannot turn a craft 2599 01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,760 on you can have the craft intact at 2600 01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,360 crete air force base and you can't do 2601 01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:03,199 anything with it because you you need 2602 01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:04,880 the hand you need the person who's 2603 01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:06,800 interacted with the craft so you see 2604 01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:09,360 that see 14 and i remember i was arguing 2605 01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:10,400 with people i said well we should talk 2606 01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,520 to these people and they said well 2607 01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:13,120 people experienced a lot of stuff on top 2608 01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,719 of on the craft i said yeah when you get 2609 01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:16,080 14 of people saying they're flying the 2610 01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,440 craft and they're all saying the same 2611 01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,719 thing don't you think we should listen 2612 01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,560 to these people and the other thing is 2613 01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,480 forty percent this comes to this noetic 2614 01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,400 experience thing that i had forty 2615 01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:27,120 percent of experiencers will tell you 2616 01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:28,320 that at one point during their 2617 01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:30,000 experience they knew the answer to 2618 01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,159 everything in the universe and i say 2619 01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,920 people tell you ufo sightings it's all 2620 01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:36,159 anecdotal they'll tell you whatever it's 2621 01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:37,679 all anecdotal stuff it's all going 2622 01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,760 through your conscious mind but when 2623 01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,360 somebody says they knew the answer to 2624 01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,360 everything in the universe even donald 2625 01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,960 trump wouldn't make that up even he 2626 01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,480 wouldn't say that i mean this is not 2627 01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:48,320 something you're going to make up if 40 2628 01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,600 of people say they knew the answer to 2629 01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,880 everything in the universe at one point 2630 01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,320 during their experience don't you think 2631 01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,320 we should at least talk to these people 2632 01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,639 42 percent of all experiences say they 2633 01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:58,080 have mathematical scientific or 2634 01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,360 technical material in their head they 2635 01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,679 did not learn in school why don't why 2636 01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:03,040 would we not talk to these people 2637 01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:04,320 there's a woman that just came up with a 2638 01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:07,360 book in in norway she wrote an entire 2639 01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,480 book on 2640 01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:10,639 the downloaded technical stuff from the 2641 01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:12,960 craft that she put out she was contacted 2642 01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,239 by the university in oslo and they said 2643 01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:18,480 where did you get this stuff from we are 2644 01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:20,000 just starting to get into the stuff 2645 01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:21,040 that's in your book we need to know 2646 01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,239 where you got it from she says we have 2647 01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:24,000 to buy the book to find out so you get 2648 01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,600 these kind of people i had a woman come 2649 01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:28,080 to me in in california she showed me her 2650 01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:29,760 cell phone with one of these papers and 2651 01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:31,120 it was had all the mathematical formulas 2652 01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,159 she's going through and i go that's 2653 01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,400 pretty cool so 25 pages long on her cell 2654 01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:36,000 phone says oh that's cool did you write 2655 01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,600 that you get that in a download she's 2656 01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,960 not going to download i'm a secretary 2657 01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:40,400 i've never taken science 2658 01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,679 and that's the kind of stuff you find 2659 01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,600 like why would you not talk to these 2660 01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:45,920 people and you and you see this i have a 2661 01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,760 i have a similar story because i have an 2662 01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:49,920 experiencer person that i talk to who is 2663 01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,320 a waitress and uh 2664 01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,159 i don't want to say she's uneducated but 2665 01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,480 uh you know yeah she's like didn't 2666 01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:58,800 graduate high school you know 2667 01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,920 and uh experiencer and uh i have a 2668 01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:03,679 background in computer science and she 2669 01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,400 gave me some of the most advanced math 2670 01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,080 that i've ever seen 2671 01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:10,320 yeah and she doesn't know where it came 2672 01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:13,360 from she just claims that it was just 2673 01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,040 given to her it just appeared in her 2674 01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,280 mind and she could not 2675 01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:19,840 uh not write it all down 2676 01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,800 yeah and it wasn't garbage it this was 2677 01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,880 legitimately 2678 01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:26,800 advanced math 2679 01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,159 exactly and that's why you have the mill 2680 01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,719 lab thing i mean it is you if you take a 2681 01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,800 look at these the avery guys they're 2682 01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:34,080 just guys who are trying to figure it 2683 01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,520 out the same as you and i they're not 2684 01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,400 government people evil uh agents or 2685 01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,920 anything like that that's another part 2686 01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,760 to your story that i think is very 2687 01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:43,520 interesting because almost everybody 2688 01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:46,960 else kind of goes by this men in black 2689 01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:49,679 there's this evil shadow government 2690 01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,840 group that is covering this all up and 2691 01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,159 we gotta fight those kind of people to 2692 01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:55,920 get this information out and they're 2693 01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:56,800 trying to 2694 01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,679 hoard the technology and you know 2695 01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,440 that's what the narrative seems to be 2696 01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,840 from a lot of researchers yeah and uh 2697 01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,920 and you're you're never guys that it's 2698 01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:08,400 not the case it's that there's ones i've 2699 01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,400 met they have good people and they're 2700 01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,480 they have a genuine interest and they're 2701 01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,400 just operating at a higher level and 2702 01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,600 some of them want to get this 2703 01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,440 information out 2704 01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,440 yeah to me that's the thing is i don't 2705 01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,800 believe i always have this fight about 2706 01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,400 the good na evil aliens i mean to me 2707 01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:24,159 they're they're it's a christian idea 2708 01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,840 that there are you know you're either 2709 01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,800 going to heaven or you're going to hell 2710 01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:28,400 there's just good people and bad people 2711 01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,920 and therefore if i'm 2712 01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,920 you know i'm i'm going to heaven so you 2713 01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,440 got to be going to hell and it's this 2714 01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,760 idea where we we do this do duel thing 2715 01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,120 which is one of the downloads i got it's 2716 01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,040 not duel it's it's all one it's oneness 2717 01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:41,280 it's so if you separation is where the 2718 01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,639 problem is we start to believe things 2719 01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,199 are separate items so you have these 2720 01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:47,679 these guys who are simply trying to 2721 01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:53,040 figure it out for themselves and um 2722 01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,560 you that's why you get the mill lab 2723 01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:56,800 thing it's not that because i said i was 2724 01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,280 talking to melinda i said well 2725 01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,960 this whole idea that this is a pretty 2726 01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,480 risky thing if you're kidnapping 2727 01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,719 american people but the way you're doing 2728 01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,080 it is you're trying to figure out what's 2729 01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:08,480 going on as well so they at least know 2730 01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,320 that you grab the experiencer and you 2731 01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:12,000 you drug them and you bring them in and 2732 01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,280 you say what did the aliens tell you 2733 01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:15,440 what did you and and i asked melinda i 2734 01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,639 just did an interview with a couple days 2735 01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,880 ago and i said to her is this true the 2736 01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,639 story that hell put off 2737 01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:22,239 richard dodie told me when i interviewed 2738 01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,840 him that he'd worked for hell for 12 2739 01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,679 years and hell confirmed this not work 2740 01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,280 for him but he was working with him for 2741 01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,679 12 years and he confirmed that he said 2742 01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:31,600 that hell was they were bringing pieces 2743 01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,639 to hell 2744 01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:34,159 to figure out what is this and hell 2745 01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:36,000 could never figure it out like pieces 2746 01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,760 from the craft and he could never figure 2747 01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:39,040 out how it works but the story in the 2748 01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,480 mill lab thing and i asked melinda about 2749 01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,239 this in the interview and she confirmed 2750 01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:44,080 this that they bring in the experiencer 2751 01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:46,000 and then they bring in they they bring 2752 01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:47,679 in the um 2753 01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:48,960 the piece of the craft and they give it 2754 01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:50,480 to the experiencer and you know what to 2755 01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,679 do with this and the person knows what 2756 01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:53,120 to do with it and they go okay we got 2757 01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:54,800 another one and they know this person's 2758 01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:55,840 experience because they can make the 2759 01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:57,679 craft work it's the whole idea this one 2760 01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,880 this thing that you've been one with the 2761 01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,880 craft and you can make it work whereas 2762 01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,320 if you've never been abducted you've 2763 01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,159 never been with the aliens you can't get 2764 01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:06,239 these pieces to work so hal would always 2765 01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:07,440 send these pieces back that he couldn't 2766 01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:09,360 get anything to work he didn't know what 2767 01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,800 this stuff was for but you give it to an 2768 01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,719 experiencer or melinda told me the story 2769 01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,639 that she was in the room and i i heard a 2770 01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,320 second witness who told who was there at 2771 01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,679 the same time she told me the same story 2772 01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,520 so i i got it from two different vantage 2773 01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:22,560 points where they were in there and 2774 01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:24,800 she they had this panel board with these 2775 01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:27,040 these levers on it and 2776 01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:28,719 they told her to make something else 2777 01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,880 move and these these things started to 2778 01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:32,639 these these levers started to move on 2779 01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,000 the paddle and they said oh we got 2780 01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,719 another one and so they that's why they 2781 01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:38,239 they watch these people because these 2782 01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,520 people are able and they're trying to 2783 01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:41,360 figure out how how are these people able 2784 01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:43,199 to levitate stuff how are they how they 2785 01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,719 the beings teaching them to do this kind 2786 01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,800 of stuff and they can tap into this 2787 01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:48,480 that's why they went to skinwalker ranch 2788 01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,840 if you look at the skinwalker ranch 2789 01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,679 thing the dia went to skinwalker ranch 2790 01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:53,199 there was no uf oh it was a skinwalker 2791 01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:54,880 ranch there was an orb or two but there 2792 01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:58,000 was no ufos it was all a port material 2793 01:31:01,510 --> 01:30:59,600 this is what i'm lecturing on now it's 2794 01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:01,520 this whole idea this is what the metal 2795 01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:02,960 is they're dropping this metal they want 2796 01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,280 you to go wow they want you to go oh my 2797 01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:07,280 god what is this you know that's why 2798 01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:08,639 they got lights on the craft they want 2799 01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,880 you to go wow yeah this is another one 2800 01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:12,560 of your theories which i love which is 2801 01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:14,639 the circus theory can you explain a 2802 01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,120 little bit about the circus theory 2803 01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,679 yeah and that to me it's all no matter 2804 01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:21,120 what it is it's like the you know the 2805 01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:22,639 whole thing with the cattle mutilations 2806 01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,239 they grab the cattle and i always say to 2807 01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:27,120 linda like like linda why why why would 2808 01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:28,719 they why is it bloodless why do they 2809 01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:30,560 take the blood out all the time because 2810 01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,000 if if they didn't take the blood out you 2811 01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,239 wouldn't care less it's got to be really 2812 01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,159 weird it's like wow how did how did they 2813 01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,560 do that and and and then they fly the 2814 01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,480 thing out so they got the cow and they 2815 01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:42,560 take it out and then they fly back into 2816 01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,560 the war zone and drop it in the front 2817 01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,560 yard of the farmer and i said why do 2818 01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:48,400 they go back and drop the cow they've 2819 01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,760 got the cow they don't have to come back 2820 01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:51,360 and drop the cow they're dropping it 2821 01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:53,040 because they want linda and everybody 2822 01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:54,400 else to go take pictures and put it on 2823 01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,760 the front page because if you take a 2824 01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:57,600 look at 2825 01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:58,480 perkins 2826 01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:59,920 uh the guy who has the biggest 2827 01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,159 supposedly had the biggest catalog of 2828 01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:03,840 cattle mutilations he said everything 2829 01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:05,920 was downwind and downstream of nuclear 2830 01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:08,560 power activities and nuclear testing and 2831 01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:10,960 he said if you took a map of the high 2832 01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:12,800 cancer rates and put them on and the 2833 01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:14,719 cattle mutilation thing it would it was 2834 01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,800 a direct match it was all west of the 2835 01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:18,560 west of the rockies once you got into 2836 01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,080 california it all stopped it was where 2837 01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:22,000 they were testing the nuclear power stop 2838 01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:24,080 so you may not know why why they picked 2839 01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:26,000 up that cow but it's a signal it's like 2840 01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,960 the government's saying did you see 2841 01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:29,280 where they dropped that cow wow 2842 01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:31,040 and they know it's it's a monitoring 2843 01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,960 operation and they're sending signals 2844 01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:34,560 why do they do the crop circle thing 2845 01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:36,159 they just want you to go wow and that's 2846 01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:37,760 the same thing i'd say with the metals 2847 01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:40,480 so when you get the metal stuff there i 2848 01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:41,760 say they're dropping these pieces of 2849 01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,639 metal 2850 01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:44,320 to to to get people to go wow 2851 01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,760 something's going on here this pet this 2852 01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:47,679 is weird it's got weird isotopes or 2853 01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:49,120 whatever and everybody says oh it's 2854 01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:50,480 extraterrestrial but it's getting you to 2855 01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:52,159 think we're not alone something's going 2856 01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:53,600 on here try to figure it that's why they 2857 01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:55,360 put marks on people's bodies they don't 2858 01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:57,199 have to put triangles on people's body 2859 01:33:01,669 --> 01:33:00,320 they do that so you go oh my god it 2860 01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,679 wasn't a dream i thought it was a dream 2861 01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:04,000 but look at my arm it's not a dream and 2862 01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:05,520 that's what the skinwalker rent so when 2863 01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:07,440 they went to skinwalker ranch it was all 2864 01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:09,120 a port material they do this weird 2865 01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:11,120 report material and i still only got 2866 01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:13,120 into this in november of last year i've 2867 01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,120 got i'm finishing a book on it it's just 2868 01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:17,600 bizarre the important material and and 2869 01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:19,280 most experiencers have this you always 2870 01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:20,719 say to them like when they talk about 2871 01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:22,159 experience you say because they don't 2872 01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:23,600 think it's related you say 2873 01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:25,199 you ever have anything sort of fly 2874 01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:26,560 around the house or something sort of 2875 01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:28,639 appears or disappears and then reappears 2876 01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:31,199 someplace else and everybody even steve 2877 01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:35,600 morillo who's runs ufo uh mufon la i 2878 01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,199 mean he even told me these really 2879 01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:39,520 bizarre report stories so when the dia 2880 01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:41,679 goes to skinwalker ranch they're not 2881 01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:44,159 looking for ufo stuff they're looking at 2882 01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:45,600 this thing where the wife comes home 2883 01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:46,480 with the 2884 01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:48,560 the bag of groceries she puts the 2885 01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:50,560 groceries on the counter she puts them 2886 01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:51,920 all away and then she goes in the other 2887 01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:53,520 room comes back in and all the groceries 2888 01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:55,199 are back in the bag or the guy is 2889 01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:57,199 worried about his cows or his his bulls 2890 01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:58,639 he goes running outside and the bulls 2891 01:34:01,750 --> 01:34:00,560 are gone and he's going what the hell 2892 01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:01,760 happened to the bulls and then he looks 2893 01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,960 at this trailer i wonder it's in the 2894 01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:04,880 trailer and this locked trailer and he 2895 01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,159 opens the trailer and the bulls are in 2896 01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:08,960 the trailer and then the the there's 20 2897 01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:11,199 incidents that are in the skinwalker 2898 01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:13,440 book and it's all a port material it's 2899 01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,679 like throw the the 2900 01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:17,440 post hole digger disappears and it's 50 2901 01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:19,360 feet up in a cottonwood tree it's that 2902 01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,199 weird stuff where you're going like what 2903 01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:23,760 is and that's what the dia went there 2904 01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:26,080 they wanted to see this weird stuff 2905 01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:27,760 because if you can make stuff disappear 2906 01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,440 and go through walls and this kind of 2907 01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:31,360 stuff it's got military potential that's 2908 01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:32,320 why they're studying it what they 2909 01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:33,920 weren't studying it for ufo material 2910 01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:35,920 they were studying this support weird 2911 01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:38,560 stuff or portals opening up and and all 2912 01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:40,480 this weird kind of stuff the nature of 2913 01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,840 reality which is i think what it comes 2914 01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,000 down to when you understand the second 2915 01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:46,239 download i had when you get down to this 2916 01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:48,239 you're looking at it what is the nature 2917 01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:50,639 of reality is it nuts and bolts is it 2918 01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,320 consciousness is it re is it pattern 2919 01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:56,480 how do they get if it's an import thing 2920 01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:57,679 where they can 2921 01:35:02,229 --> 01:34:59,119 make something appear whether it's a 2922 01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,239 body a craft a a 2923 01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,800 piece of metal or whatever it's coming 2924 01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:06,800 out of some sort of other dimension and 2925 01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:08,560 it comes across or when you talk to 2926 01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:09,840 experiences i have the one experience 2927 01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:11,119 who talks about them going the other way 2928 01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:13,440 and this is very common with experiences 2929 01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:15,360 how does the being get into the room and 2930 01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:17,440 leave the room it comes in in a ball the 2931 01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:20,239 ball turns into an alien or the one this 2932 01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:21,760 israeli guy tells me the story the 2933 01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:23,360 beings are in the room they give them 2934 01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:25,199 this thing about oneness the the main 2935 01:35:29,109 --> 01:35:27,440 message is oneness the whole message the 2936 01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:29,119 number one message is oneness he gets 2937 01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:30,639 this oneness he's writing his book on 2938 01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,480 oneness he they tell them all the stuff 2939 01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:34,159 about the oneness and then when they 2940 01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:36,560 leave they grab they hold hands and they 2941 01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,320 make a circle and they start to walk 2942 01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,920 around in a circle and it goes faster 2943 01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:41,520 and faster and faster and suddenly they 2944 01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:43,199 turn into light the light gets smaller 2945 01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,400 and smaller and smaller going to a 2946 01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:46,159 little ball and they disappear and 2947 01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,000 that's the whole thing 2948 01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:50,159 even in listening to some of the 2949 01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,280 some of the 2950 01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:54,320 consciousness based you know sort of 2951 01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:56,159 deep digging that you've been doing it 2952 01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:58,080 made me think that maybe 2953 01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:00,639 this whole nuts and bolts aliens from 2954 01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:03,040 another star system is totally totally 2955 01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:06,480 wrong and maybe just maybe these beings 2956 01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:08,320 are some kind of beings that have 2957 01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:09,679 learned to 2958 01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:10,800 alter 2959 01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:12,239 and 2960 01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:14,719 create reality or 2961 01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,520 transmute reality so the normal laws of 2962 01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:20,000 physics don't mean anything to them yeah 2963 01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:21,840 yeah and and that's if you take a look 2964 01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:23,920 and i the example i would i would point 2965 01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:26,400 out is i will maintain absolutely i 2966 01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:27,920 don't care what anybody says there was 2967 01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:30,639 no grace before 1961 and the greys when 2968 01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:33,600 betty and barney hillsong had hats on 2969 01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:35,600 and so before then it was the blonde 2970 01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:37,679 blue eyed aliens and all this kind of 2971 01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,560 stuff yeah the nordics in 1890s the 2972 01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:42,800 ships were wooden ships with propellers 2973 01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,560 and guys hanging off of ropes and stuff 2974 01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:46,159 like that and jack valley will go back 2975 01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,920 and say it was fairies and if you take a 2976 01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:49,840 look at people like um if you've ever 2977 01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:51,760 interviewed sherry wilde 2978 01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:54,080 who had a very dramatic encounter over 2979 01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,520 and over again was writing a book 2980 01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:57,280 there's a movie going to be done on hers 2981 01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:58,960 she heard she was dealing with an alien 2982 01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:01,119 by the name of da and she said to him 2983 01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,080 she says 2984 01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,239 are you actually an alien and he said no 2985 01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:06,000 not really and she said well why do you 2986 01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:07,520 come as this ugly looking gray thing he 2987 01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:08,719 said what do you mean ugly looking great 2988 01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:10,000 thing you ever look in the mirror when 2989 01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:11,280 you you got those big teeth when you 2990 01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,800 smile we think you're going to eat us 2991 01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,480 and and so it's the whole idea that a 2992 01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:15,840 lot of people have asked the alien are 2993 01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,840 you actually an alien and no or you get 2994 01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:19,520 this thing with the screen imaging thing 2995 01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:21,040 where i just put one on facebook 2996 01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:23,119 yesterday where the guys you know this 2997 01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:24,960 guy that wrote the um 2998 01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,119 book on near death experiences ring one 2999 01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:29,119 of the top guy he was into ufo stuff and 3000 01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,480 he had the connection between near-death 3001 01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:32,320 experiences and ufo experiences about 3002 01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:35,199 the guy and uh in um 3003 01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,159 alaska he sees this uh moose on top of 3004 01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:39,760 the hill and he goes up to the top of 3005 01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:41,199 the hill to see the see the moose and 3006 01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:43,040 there's a flying saucer there and then 3007 01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:44,639 he goes on the craft they let him fly 3008 01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:46,159 the craft and then they drop him off 3009 01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,360 again and he goes home and tells his 3010 01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:49,040 mother you saw a moose and you see the 3011 01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,400 screen image you know rabbits owls moose 3012 01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:54,719 i've seen the owl thing like over and 3013 01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,639 over again or you have the one guy who 3014 01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,480 was um he's not around anymore he was 3015 01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:59,760 one of the main guys that started with 3016 01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,119 the whole thing about this 3017 01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:03,040 the people seeing this the uh screen 3018 01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,880 onboard the ship 39 percent of all 3019 01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:06,159 experiences see the screen where they're 3020 01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,600 showing the environmental devastation of 3021 01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:09,440 the earth and stuff this screen and he 3022 01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,800 was the first to bring this up and his 3023 01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,800 name always escapes me but he was an 3024 01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,719 early on guy and he he knew about the 3025 01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:16,560 screen imaging thing where he said he 3026 01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:18,400 said to the alien the alien came in 3027 01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,040 looking like a uh a military guy and he 3028 01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:23,280 said you're not a military you got the 3029 01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:24,880 wrong uniform on and he said 3030 01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,040 instantaneously the the the the um the 3031 01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:30,880 uniform change to the right they had the 3032 01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,880 right stripes on it instantaneously this 3033 01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:34,639 alien changed from one to another and 3034 01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:35,520 that's the whole thing about screen 3035 01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,760 image or you have a story where where 3036 01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:39,360 people will 3037 01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,800 um 3038 01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:42,719 a kid will freak out and they'll turn 3039 01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:45,840 into a clown or they'll turn into uh 3040 01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:48,400 doctors to calm the kid down and that's 3041 01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,000 what they're doing is they're trying to 3042 01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:52,800 uh you know rather than throw you off 3043 01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:56,239 they come as your playmates or you know 3044 01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:57,679 some something else that do you think 3045 01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:58,880 it's something and it's actually 3046 01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,360 something else so what they actually are 3047 01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:03,600 is the whole deal is if they can come 3048 01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,480 from that other in that other uh 3049 01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:08,159 environment whatever it is they're not 3050 01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,760 physical that's how they get here that 3051 01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,040 was the whole question between jan 3052 01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,760 hartson jan hartson says to 3053 01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,040 to ben rich 3054 01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,119 ben how do they get here he said what do 3055 01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:19,360 you know about esp that's how they get 3056 01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:21,920 here and it's the whole idea is that the 3057 01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,480 way they get here is that it's the 3058 01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:27,119 oneness concept it's all one thing 3059 01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:28,719 there's everything in time and space is 3060 01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:30,080 connected so they can move from one 3061 01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,360 place to another but you have to become 3062 01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:35,679 into this sort of like consciousness 3063 01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,840 thing you can't come as a physical thing 3064 01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,400 so they move into this sort of a a 3065 01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,639 spirit type thing or whatever it is and 3066 01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,800 then they can emerge through a ball of 3067 01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:47,040 light turn into a physical being go back 3068 01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,480 into the ball of light and that's how 3069 01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:51,360 they get here nobody's flying across 3070 01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,199 time and space from one planet to 3071 01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:55,440 another once you are able to learn this 3072 01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:56,960 consciousness thing that you can 3073 01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,520 transport yourself into this sort of a a 3074 01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:00,960 spiritual environment or whatever you 3075 01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,800 want to call an interdimensional thing 3076 01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:04,400 then you can move to another planet and 3077 01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:06,639 re-emerge we just think that you're just 3078 01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:08,320 physical that's all there is is physical 3079 01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:10,159 and consciousness is an epic phenomenon 3080 01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,520 of the brain that it really doesn't 3081 01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,520 exist it's not there the consciousness 3082 01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:15,440 is the primary thing so they can come in 3083 01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:17,360 become physical they can drop physical 3084 01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,880 objects any object they want they can 3085 01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,719 make them produce whatever they want 3086 01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,560 they can come in they can go back again 3087 01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:23,920 we just don't believe it because we 3088 01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,760 don't realize that everything is 3089 01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,600 actually what they are and that's where 3090 01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,320 the the one alien said we come to you in 3091 01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,199 your dreams because now you're in our 3092 01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,119 world and when you start looking at the 3093 01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:37,679 crossing crossing the contact modalities 3094 01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:39,440 you start looking at lucid dreaming you 3095 01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,679 start looking at psilocybin and and 3096 01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:43,520 stuff like that you start to realize 3097 01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,199 that you have this process actually i 3098 01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:47,119 was going to ask you because i don't 3099 01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,800 think that i've ever heard you really 3100 01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,560 talk about this but 3101 01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:52,560 you know i i have a big interest in some 3102 01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:55,440 of these things like psilocybin or dmt 3103 01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,800 and i wanted to know 3104 01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:59,119 uh if if you've ever 3105 01:41:01,669 --> 01:41:00,159 i don't know if it's too personal 3106 01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:01,679 question but if you've ever experimented 3107 01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:02,840 with some of these 3108 01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,280 hallucinogens in uh in a quest for 3109 01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,520 greater understanding or you mentioned 3110 01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:10,000 uh these some of these contactees 3111 01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,760 thinking at one time they knew all the 3112 01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:13,679 answers of the universe and it made me 3113 01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:15,520 think of some uh 3114 01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:17,679 sort of psychedelic experiences can be 3115 01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:20,400 like that sort of transcending reality 3116 01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,320 and you feel like you're in another 3117 01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,880 time and space and you feel connected to 3118 01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,320 everything 3119 01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:28,159 and that's the whole thing that it's the 3120 01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:30,159 same thing that's when i do a book ray 3121 01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:31,920 hernandez from free wanted me to do a 3122 01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:33,920 chapter in their new book on contact 3123 01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,960 modalities and he got the he got pulled 3124 01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:38,480 off the freeway and he got pulled out of 3125 01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,119 his car into this sort of a 3126 01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:43,280 spirit world or 3127 01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:46,159 non-local world we're really showing him 3128 01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:48,320 this spinning wheel and in the wheel it 3129 01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,040 has ufos paranormal phenomena psychic 3130 01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:54,239 psychic phenomena uh 3131 01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:58,080 you know um near-death experiences uh 3132 01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,520 you know 3133 01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:01,199 psychedelics all sorts of and it's all 3134 01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:03,360 the same thing so the i i was going to 3135 01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,320 do the thing and i said well i'm going 3136 01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,760 to look at all these contact models i 3137 01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:07,280 had 70 of them though it's all the same 3138 01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,719 thing it's exactly the same thing it's 3139 01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,159 just a different 3140 01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:12,320 way of 3141 01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,520 some people call it like a permission 3142 01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:15,760 slip whatever you need so i was i tried 3143 01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:18,880 to i never did the the the um the the 3144 01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:20,960 psilocybin stuff but i studied an awful 3145 01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,520 lot all the john hopkins and and all the 3146 01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:25,600 research that had been done on and lucid 3147 01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:27,520 dreaming i tried repeatedly lucid 3148 01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,520 dreaming but all those things what you 3149 01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:30,960 see whether it's a near-death experience 3150 01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:33,360 psilocybin or whether it's lucid 3151 01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:36,239 dreaming what you see is this world 3152 01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,400 where it's much more plastic it's it's 3153 01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,679 the world that they're coming from or 3154 01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,280 you can screen image you can appear as 3155 01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,440 whatever you want what and and and it's 3156 01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:44,639 the same sort of thing we're so that's 3157 01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:46,159 where the people get the thing about the 3158 01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:47,600 evil alien and i say well if you happen 3159 01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,679 to run into an evil alien they'll the 3160 01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:51,280 the more or less you learn whether 3161 01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,199 you're doing psilocybin at john hopkins 3162 01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:55,360 or whether you're doing uh 3163 01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:56,800 lucid dream research at stanford 3164 01:43:01,270 --> 01:43:00,080 university what they tell you is do not 3165 01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:01,280 walk away 3166 01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,480 be open 3167 01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:05,520 accepting walk towards the evil alien 3168 01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,400 the devil whatever it is 3169 01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:10,480 treat it with unconditional love give it 3170 01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,239 a big hug and it will turn into a 3171 01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,679 positive being and give you a positive 3172 01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,440 message so that's the whole thing behind 3173 01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:17,280 the aliens is there's a there's actually 3174 01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:18,320 a thing 3175 01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:19,760 there's an interview if you will go on 3176 01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:21,440 youtube you'll see an interview that was 3177 01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:26,790 hopkins who believed they were all 3178 01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:29,199 intruders they were bad guys just you 3179 01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:31,679 know nothing good about alien abduction 3180 01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:34,239 and you had uh john mack who believed it 3181 01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:36,480 was a spiritual type phenomenon so 3182 01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:39,119 they're having this debate in boston and 3183 01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,560 uh that's when 3184 01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,639 max stands up and he says you know but 3185 01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:43,920 it's kind of unusual you know it's kind 3186 01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,960 of strange 3187 01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,639 you know i'm the psychiatrist here you 3188 01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,080 know you think i would be getting all 3189 01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:50,400 the real bad ones and he says and it's 3190 01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:51,360 i'm getting all the sort of the 3191 01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:52,800 spiritual seekers and you're getting all 3192 01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:55,440 the bad ones maybe but that has to do 3193 01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:56,960 more with you and i than it does with 3194 01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,880 the aliens and i that's what i now 3195 01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,800 believe is whatever type of alien you 3196 01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:02,239 are attracting 3197 01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,920 you are manifesting that part of the 3198 01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:05,679 thing because what you see if you start 3199 01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,800 looking at the 3200 01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:08,560 actually talking to experiences you 3201 01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,840 realize that nobody ever sees the same 3202 01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:13,600 alien their whole life and it always 3203 01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:15,280 bothered me it's like well why are these 3204 01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,880 well these aliens all working together i 3205 01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,320 mean first you see like travis walton 3206 01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:21,199 you see you know these uh uh sort of the 3207 01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:22,639 gray type aliens and then you see the 3208 01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,600 the human type alien and everybody has 3209 01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:27,040 multiple aliens and it's like well 3210 01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,159 what's going on 3211 01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,719 all these things and it's this idea that 3212 01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,800 your your your experiences can change 3213 01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:34,800 and the aliens can change that you have 3214 01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:37,040 to accept the fact if it's if it's like 3215 01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:39,520 the lucid dream world 3216 01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:41,920 it's it's the thing where you are part 3217 01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:43,199 of what you're experiencing we think we 3218 01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:44,960 have to believe this thing that it's 3219 01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:46,639 separation that there's no one there's a 3220 01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:49,440 separation that we are like a cork 3221 01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:51,199 riding down the stream and we're being 3222 01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,360 buffeted around by different forces and 3223 01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,800 when you get into what i think is the 3224 01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:55,840 nature of reality you're going to 3225 01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,239 realize no you are manifesting what is 3226 01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:00,239 happening around you you have much more 3227 01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:02,320 control than what you think and and that 3228 01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,840 things will change and i'll give you a 3229 01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:05,360 really interesting story and i didn't 3230 01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:06,719 realize you see this thing but there's 3231 01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,080 no time and space 3232 01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,320 that this is all illusion and i didn't 3233 01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,920 realize this until last year i'm with 3234 01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:13,840 barbara lamb in los angeles we're having 3235 01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:16,159 lunch and she's talking and she's 3236 01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,440 telling stories whatever i just listen 3237 01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,360 to her she's you know when i when i when 3238 01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,360 i regress people you know uh they're 3239 01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:23,199 very very afraid they're especially the 3240 01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:24,080 first time when they're when they're 3241 01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:25,040 talking about being on the table they're 3242 01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,639 very afraid so what i do is i try to 3243 01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:28,719 distract them and so what i say to them 3244 01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:30,480 is uh you know you're on the table are 3245 01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:31,920 you scared and the person goes yeah i'm 3246 01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:34,159 really scared and and do you know what 3247 01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:35,760 they're doing to you 3248 01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:36,719 no 3249 01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,400 doing to you yeah well then go ahead and 3250 01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:42,320 ask them now you gotta remember this did 3251 01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:44,000 not happen the first time around they 3252 01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:45,600 did not ask the alien what happened so 3253 01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:47,119 she's go ahead and ask him what are you 3254 01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,960 doing and then the person says 3255 01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:50,480 they're looking at my kidney they said 3256 01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:51,600 there's something wrong with my kidney i 3257 01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,280 should go to the doctor and then she's 3258 01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:55,280 looking at the side look what's the wall 3259 01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:56,880 look like and she she's doing it to 3260 01:46:02,149 --> 01:45:59,440 distract them but what's happening is 3261 01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:02,159 that she is changing a past event so 3262 01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,239 there is no past event you can go back 3263 01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:06,719 to a past event and live in that life 3264 01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:09,199 and change it just by going back it's 3265 01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:10,800 not carved in stone we have these 3266 01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,800 illusions about how reality works the 3267 01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:14,480 other thing she had was the whole thing 3268 01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,040 about space so she's talking and she and 3269 01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:18,960 i've heard this a lot of times lots of 3270 01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:20,159 abduction 3271 01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:22,000 regressions people will tell this story 3272 01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:23,520 where suddenly the alien wants to talk 3273 01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:26,080 to them so she says well the the aliens 3274 01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:27,840 through this person the person says oh 3275 01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,520 barbara they want to talk to you okay 3276 01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:31,199 what do they want to know so this person 3277 01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,960 is like relaying messages back and forth 3278 01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:34,480 between the alien and the person who's 3279 01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,760 doing the regression now this event 3280 01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:38,159 happened like 20 years ago and and so 3281 01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,360 barbara's telling the story the the 3282 01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:41,520 aliens saying this that whatever and 3283 01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:42,719 talking about something barbara was 3284 01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:43,840 doing she's working in her garden i 3285 01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:45,520 can't know what the story was 3286 01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:46,880 i didn't catch it until she was actually 3287 01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,960 finished the story and it was like wow 3288 01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:50,159 but she was in the garden or something 3289 01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:51,520 and the aliens telling her this happened 3290 01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,920 this happened and barbara says oh really 3291 01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,000 were you there and then the alien says 3292 01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:58,239 or whoever it was the being says through 3293 01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:00,239 this person that's on the table says no 3294 01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:02,000 barbara i've never been to your planet 3295 01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,600 and that's the whole deal there's no 3296 01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,280 time there's no space we're making all 3297 01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:06,960 these false assumptions and when you 3298 01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:08,320 start talking to the experiences they 3299 01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:10,080 start telling you these stories 3300 01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:13,040 that of these things that really mess up 3301 01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:14,159 so 3302 01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:16,239 when i did the contact modalities i say 3303 01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,440 it's all the same sort of thing that 3304 01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:19,440 when you get into looking at whether 3305 01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:21,920 it's lucid dreams such as psychedelics 3306 01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:24,400 uh near-death experiences it's all the 3307 01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:26,159 same thing where you can actually change 3308 01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,840 the characters where everything is very 3309 01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:29,600 pliable and those people come back and 3310 01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:32,400 say the same thing that i said in my 3311 01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,679 experience they'll say it was more real 3312 01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:38,239 than the real world this is the dream 3313 01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:40,320 that's the real world and you and unless 3314 01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:41,199 you've had that experience you said 3315 01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:43,280 that's crazy how can that possibly be 3316 01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:44,480 and yet 3317 01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:46,000 when i ask these people and i've asked 3318 01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:48,159 people they say i knew everything in in 3319 01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:49,840 the universe and i say well how do you 3320 01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:51,040 know there wasn't something on the far 3321 01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:52,480 side of the universe number seven eight 3322 01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:54,560 nine that they didn't tell you about and 3323 01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:56,320 then they'll say exactly what i will say 3324 01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:58,000 about my experience which comes with 3325 01:48:01,669 --> 01:48:00,080 absolute certainty they'll say i'll say 3326 01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:01,679 well how do you know and they'll just 3327 01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,480 say 3328 01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,560 i'm not really sure but i just know for 3329 01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:07,199 sure and that was with me i know for 3330 01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,199 sure that what i was told in these 3331 01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:11,440 downloads was real it was absolute comes 3332 01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:14,000 with absolute certainty you don't have 3333 01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:15,600 to question it and it just turned out to 3334 01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:17,520 be true that everything that i've gotten 3335 01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,440 has been reinforced as i go along and i 3336 01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,440 realized that was the right material and 3337 01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:23,040 it's this this noetic experience and 3338 01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:24,239 that's where you should be talking to 3339 01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:25,679 experiences because they have these 3340 01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,440 noetic experiences not something they 3341 01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:29,440 sat and rationally figured out or tried 3342 01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,320 to calculate or had some bizarre idea or 3343 01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:34,159 whatever it's something that's coming so 3344 01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:35,760 that all the information if it's true 3345 01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:37,280 that they knew they answered everything 3346 01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:39,040 in the universe and as they asked the 3347 01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:41,040 people how long did it last i did how 3348 01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,560 did it fade away and they say usually 3349 01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:44,000 within the day it's like a dream it's 3350 01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:45,199 it's disappearing and you're trying to 3351 01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:46,639 remember all the things that you were 3352 01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:48,320 told and it's fading away and you're 3353 01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,320 trying to recover it or whatever 3354 01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:52,560 so if at one point they knew the answer 3355 01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:53,920 then 3356 01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:56,639 why would we not try to hack that and 3357 01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:58,080 get into that field where all the 3358 01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:59,360 answers are and that's ancient 3359 01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,600 literature the akashic record all this 3360 01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,760 kind of stuff even i the lecture i'm 3361 01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:05,119 going to do in a couple weeks i actually 3362 01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,320 play a tape 3363 01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:08,960 where the guy's doing meditation which 3364 01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:10,639 is another contact my diet so the guy's 3365 01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:12,400 doing meditation he has this experience 3366 01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:13,360 where he knows everything in the 3367 01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:15,520 universe and he basically says i'm there 3368 01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:17,599 and suddenly i know everything i'm i'm 3369 01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:20,159 the universe i'm everything i 3370 01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:23,199 everything is there and and and the 3371 01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:25,040 other one that i play the other tape is 3372 01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:27,280 the guy is there and if you you start 3373 01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:28,800 looking at these experiences people who 3374 01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,280 have the life review and what you see in 3375 01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:33,840 a life review it shows you how complex 3376 01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,440 the universe is we think oh we've got to 3377 01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:37,520 solve the ufos you've got nothing solved 3378 01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:39,199 when you see how complex the universe is 3379 01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:42,159 that people in a near in a life review 3380 01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:44,960 will say i was shown every event in my 3381 01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,000 life 3382 01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,639 in like a second or two every single 3383 01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:50,480 event everything that went but i didn't 3384 01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:53,040 see it from my vantage point i saw it 3385 01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,719 from the vantage point of the person 3386 01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,560 that i was interacting with so if i told 3387 01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:58,960 my ex-wife she was an idiot i was my 3388 01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:01,679 ex-wife and i i could feel the pain of 3389 01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:05,199 how she how she felt when i said that so 3390 01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:07,040 if that is true and 3391 01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:08,320 i'll guarantee you everybody's going to 3392 01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:11,040 tell the same story then not only 3393 01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:12,960 is memory perfect that all the memories 3394 01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:14,880 there the akashic field but all the 3395 01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,639 memories are interlinked that somebody's 3396 01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,239 putting all these memories together that 3397 01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,840 you have your memory and you have the 3398 01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,920 memory of the encounter and the person 3399 01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,440 how they felt on the other side that 3400 01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:25,199 it's all linked and people said actually 3401 01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:26,560 how you afflicted the world how you 3402 01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:28,000 affected the universe by everything you 3403 01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:30,000 did if it's all that linked and all 3404 01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:31,920 these things are connected together we 3405 01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:33,520 haven't even scratched the surface of 3406 01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,960 how the universe works and that's a 3407 01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,080 mistake we're making that's why you've 3408 01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,679 got to talk to the experiencers that 3409 01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:39,280 rationally analytically you're never 3410 01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:40,320 going to figure this thing out 3411 01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:41,840 especially if you go down the road of 3412 01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:44,239 nuts and bolts because i will guarantee 3413 01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:46,320 it is not nuts and bolts it everything 3414 01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:48,400 if you break down the even we know you 3415 01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:51,520 break down the human body the world it 3416 01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:53,760 comes down to energy there there is no 3417 01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,320 it's all space it's all these illusions 3418 01:50:59,589 --> 01:50:57,840 we believe the world is flat because we 3419 01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:59,599 see it's flat we learn now no it's not 3420 01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,520 flat we think the sun's going around the 3421 01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:03,360 earth we believe what we're seeing and 3422 01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:05,599 we we don't realize that most of what 3423 01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:08,239 we're seeing is illusion it's it's wrong 3424 01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:09,840 we're moving in a thousand miles an hour 3425 01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,119 we think we're stable we're just sitting 3426 01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:12,800 here we're moving in a thousand miles an 3427 01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:14,719 hour into the east we just don't realize 3428 01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:16,320 we're doing this and and the more we 3429 01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:17,920 learn the more we realize that the world 3430 01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:20,320 is very very complex and that you have 3431 01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:21,280 to 3432 01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:26,800 the material that's in the field that 3433 01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:28,239 those people say i knew the answer to 3434 01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:30,000 everything in the universe the material 3435 01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:33,199 is there and i think it's totally insane 3436 01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:35,040 not to try to crack that to get these 3437 01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:36,719 people to get their 3438 01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,480 what did they give you take a look at 3439 01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,080 their material try to put it together 3440 01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:42,239 cross index it you can give them lie 3441 01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:43,679 detectors do whatever you got to do if 3442 01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,840 you don't believe them but at least talk 3443 01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,239 to these people yeah and i i absolutely 3444 01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:50,400 i'm one person that is absolutely glad 3445 01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:52,400 that you're uh one of the people out 3446 01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:54,639 there doing it can you tell my listeners 3447 01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:56,960 how they can uh find out more about you 3448 01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:59,199 or maybe buy some of your books which i 3449 01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,040 highly recommend 3450 01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,199 well my books i have about six and i 3451 01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,280 have six more coming within the next 3452 01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,520 well i'm stuck with the stanton friedman 3453 01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:09,199 stuff but um 3454 01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,000 uh 3455 01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,000 amazon is where the books are 3456 01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,480 um but most of the stuff i'm if you want 3457 01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,719 to see the stanton friedman stuff uh we 3458 01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,040 may put it up on a website i'm not a 3459 01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,199 website guy but it'd have to be get help 3460 01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:23,760 to put it up on a website but um we're 3461 01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,000 going to um most of the stuff i put on 3462 01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,159 my presidential ufo 3463 01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:30,480 facebook site i'll put up uh various 3464 01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:32,719 documents as i find them on the site so 3465 01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:34,960 for the last two weeks i've put maybe i 3466 01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:36,639 don't know 20 documents 30 documents and 3467 01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:38,320 explain why i've been definitely 3468 01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:40,000 following you there and looking at that 3469 01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:41,520 and the other one i'd really agree to 3470 01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:42,480 see it 3471 01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:44,239 yeah and my white house ufo youtube 3472 01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,400 channel is where i i'm gonna do i've 3473 01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,920 done i don't know if it's been broadcast 3474 01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:50,320 yet but i did one uh powerpoint on 3475 01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:52,480 stanton stuff i've got three 3476 01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:54,800 four powerpoints so maybe i'll talk for 3477 01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,040 maybe an hour and a half on what i found 3478 01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,280 in the files and i show these uh 3479 01:53:02,709 --> 01:53:00,960 these various documents that that were 3480 01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:02,719 in the file so so it's the presidential 3481 01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:05,760 ufo facebook and the white house ufo 3482 01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:08,320 youtube channel is where my new material 3483 01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,800 as i put it up comes 3484 01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:12,480 all right well i want to thank you so 3485 01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:13,450 much for joining us 3486 01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:26,229 sometimes the truth 3487 01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:27,520 is hidden 3488 01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:32,950 i've been thinking about that a lot 3489 01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:42,790 sometimes the truth isn't hidden well at 3490 01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,920 all 3491 01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:45,360 and it's easy 3492 01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,250 to find 3493 01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:49,280 [Music] 3494 01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:51,760 there should be no penalty to anyone who 3495 01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:54,880 finds the truth that is 3496 01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,310 but some people are trying to stop 3497 01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:02,320 people from publishing 3498 01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:12,390 this is extremely flawed and wrong 3499 01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:13,199 on 3500 01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:16,080 so many levels 3501 01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:19,520 but this is what's been happening 3502 01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:23,280 and i'm tired of seeing it happen 3503 01:54:32,229 --> 01:54:25,440 and maybe 3504 01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:34,830 maybe i 3505 01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:48,629 it's not what these people want 3506 01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:53,669 but maybe it's what has to happen 3507 01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,070 until next time folks 3508 01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:58,320 my name is stephen campion 3509 01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:01,360 also known as the mystery man 3510 01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:04,880 reminding you that it is far far better 3511 01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:08,719 to be smacked in the face with the truth 3512 01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:10,400 than kissed 3513 01:55:18,900 --> 01:55:12,719 by a lie